The Gorn and the Tholians for the sequel!

[Captain Zog]

All these people on the boards talking about re-using the Borg, Khan, the Dominion or the Cardassians are driving me nuts. Let's try to retain SOME SEMBLANCE of what the 23rd century Trekverse should be like!

The Gorn have never been properly utilised.

The Tholians got some good moments in 'Enterprise', but it still wasn't enough.

I say find a way to write BOTH of these species into the next film.

 

[O'Dib]

Neither of these look or sound relateable to human beings. I think villains work best when we can empathize with them.

 

[Thor Damar]

Neither of these look or sound relateable to human beings. I think villains work best when we can empathize with them.

Doesn't mean that they cannot appear in the sequel, they just tend to work best as rogue presences that Starfleet can play of.

What about a Gorn/Cardassian alliance?

 

[Captain Zog]

Neither of these look or sound relateable to human beings. I think villains work best when we can empathize with them.

With respect, I wholeheartedly disagree. If anything, I found the nuRomulans depicted in Trek XI far too human.

 

[RAMA]

All these people on the boards talking about re-using the Borg, Khan, the Dominion or the Cardassians are driving me nuts. Let's try to retain SOME SEMBLANCE of what the 23rd century Trekverse should be like!

The Gorn have never been properly utilised.

The Tholians got some good moments in 'Enterprise', but it still wasn't enough.

I say find a way to write BOTH of these species into the next film.

Seconded or thirded or whatever number I am in line...

 

[caisson2delta]

I think they would make a great addition to the next film. It would be nice to have a villain that isn't just an individual, it would show more of the grand scale of trek if done this way.

 

[Newspaper Taxi]

Neither of these look or sound relate able to human beings.

Have you ever tried to relate to a Gorn or a Tholian? Maybe you'd all have more in common than you think. Looking past the surface value is a big part of the Trek mythology and these two aliens could also make for some pretty wicked fight/action scenes. Oh man, I'd love to see Kirk fighting WITH one of the two, as opposed to against.

 

[Shazam!]

Neither of these look or sound relateable to human beings. I think villains work best when we can empathize with them.

Yeah, Star Trek IV was a complete failure.

 

[O'Dib]

The whale probe was hardly a villain as much as a plot device to hurl the crew into difficulties involving 1980's humans. EDIT: In fact, one could say humans are the villains of the movie, for nearly hunting a sentient species to extinction.

 

[Captain Zog]

The whale probe was hardly a villain as much as a plot device to hurl the crew into difficulties involving 1980's humans.

Yah, but it was a very inventive plot device. A probe built by spacefaring whale people. How cool is that!

 

[Logical Leopard]

NO GORN!

Sez me, at least. The one on Enterprise was too animated looking. If they use them, maybe one really tricked out movie quality CGI one in a bar, maybe. But if they've never been properly utilized, a movie is a bad place to start. Like a poster said above, there is something to be said for human relatability. We as fans may think, "Kirk's fighting the Gorn again, cool!" Others in the theater may think, "Uhm....is this Land of the Lost part 2?"

Tholians? It'd be cool for a cameo, maybe arguing with a Tholian Ambassador on a video screen or something, but like the Gorn, not anything that's going to take a lot of screen time.

 

[BrownShatner]

I would love to see Gorn in a cameo appearance. Maybe blown up by Klingons or whoever the main enemy is. (Safe money is on Klingons.)

 

[Jeyl]

I would love to see Gorn in a cameo appearance. Maybe blown up by Klingons or whoever the main enemy is. (Safe money is on Klingons.)

Honestly, I must say that reducing something as cool as the Gorn race to mere canon fodder is not my idea of treating a unique and technologically advanced civilization.

I am Jeyl, Tholian Commander of TrekBBS and I approve this post. Star Trek needs more Gorns and Tholians!

 

[Jeyl]

Neither of these look or sound relateable to human beings. I think villains work best when we can empathize with them.

Yes, but wouldn't the concept of something you can't relate to actually work as a story element in the film's goal? This is after all Star Trek. Something new, unknown and totally stranger to us is a fascinating concept.

Just because we can't empathize with them doesn't mean it can't work.

 

[hellsgate]

Edosians / Edoans, Tellarites, Tholians, Gorn and more little-seen TOS/TAS-era character-races.

 

[Quest_techie]

I'm up for organians.

 

[General_Seth]

It'd interesting to see how JJ would redesign the Tholians. They'd make excellent villans because really, It's getting boring having the Klingons and Romulans being the villans.