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Tracking the Premier League scores, and Man Utd are continuing to surprise absolutely nobody. I suffered a few miserable years as a Liverpool fan, but our fall from our perch was nowhere near as sharp as this.
I'm not sure how bad things will have to get before they pull the trigger on Amorim, He seems completely out of his depth and his tactical inflexibility just seems increasingly childish. There's a weird modern strain of managers who'll just refuse to amend their tactics, no matter how badly they're doing.
I get that sacking him will cost them big time, and maybe they're hoping he just quits of his own accord, but why would you with tens of millions of pounds at stake?
People can say 'they'd never get relegated' but frankly this seems a much stronger league than last season. Sunderland have already equalled our 11 point record and Leeds are doing ok. Burnley are the only one of the promoted teams that looks like relegation fodder so far. Yes Wolves already look like dead men walking but that still leaves one slot. West Ham are down there now but likely Nuno will pull them clear (even if his brand of football might be too Moyes'y for some Hammers fans). At this rate United might end up grateful for Marinakis hiring Postecoglou...
There's definitely a weird feeling to this season already, feels like we could get a black swan event, sorta like when Leicester won the league only in reverse with an unexpected team going down.
I get that sacking him will cost them big time, and maybe they're hoping he just quits of his own accord, but why would you with tens of millions of pounds at stake?
People can say 'they'd never get relegated' but frankly this seems a much stronger league than last season. Sunderland have already equalled our 11 point record and Leeds are doing ok. Burnley are the only one of the promoted teams that looks like relegation fodder so far. Yes Wolves already look like dead men walking but that still leaves one slot. West Ham are down there now but likely Nuno will pull them clear (even if his brand of football might be too Moyes'y for some Hammers fans). At this rate United might end up grateful for Marinakis hiring Postecoglou...
There's definitely a weird feeling to this season already, feels like we could get a black swan event, sorta like when Leicester won the league only in reverse with an unexpected team going down.
It's certainly a great truism in football that no club is too big to go down. Newcastle, Leeds and Aston Villa have all felt the sting of relegation in relatively recent times, and both Utd and Spurs were only spared their blushes by the horrendous quality of the bottom three last season.
The big trouble, as you allude to, is that Utd face a large payout if they sack Amorim soon, and the process of golden handshakes is not a sustainable one. Nor is upending the backroom staff, training regime and tactics, all over again, but then again, as you also rightly say, not being able or willing to change tactics is proving very costly, and relegation would certainly entail a big financial hit. Utd seem damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Wherefore art thou Private Frazier?
“We’re doomed!Doomed!”
Slightly better under Nuno and the Hammers were never going to beat the gooners but in the premiership this year there are going to be no easy matches.
Still can’t see where our points are going to come from.
“We’re doomed!Doomed!”
Slightly better under Nuno and the Hammers were never going to beat the gooners but in the premiership this year there are going to be no easy matches.
Still can’t see where our points are going to come from.
It's a very odd league this season. After starting well Liverpool have lost their last three games.
Very early days but I wonder if this could be Arsenal's year?
Amorim proves he'd be fine if United only had to play promoted teams.
Ange becomes the first Forest manager in 100 years to fail to win one of his opening six games (and I'll be amazed if he gets that first win today)
Meanwhile in the championship we appear to have turned into Stoke from a few ago. Five draws from the opening nine games!
Very early days but I wonder if this could be Arsenal's year?
Amorim proves he'd be fine if United only had to play promoted teams.
Ange becomes the first Forest manager in 100 years to fail to win one of his opening six games (and I'll be amazed if he gets that first win today)
Meanwhile in the championship we appear to have turned into Stoke from a few ago. Five draws from the opening nine games!
Rumours already that Postecoglou could be on his way.
Surely too early.
Derby drawing too many though yesterday was a very good game and performance. I feel sure the wins will start to come.
Surely too early.
Derby drawing too many though yesterday was a very good game and performance. I feel sure the wins will start to come.
It's an odd one. On the one hand Marinakis isn't opposed to making snap decisions on his managers (admittedly he's given most of his Forest managers a lot more time than the average Olympiacos manager gets!) but on the other he's stubborn and Ange was 100% his choice. Their next three games are Chelsea, Porto and Bournemouth. Not the easiest run of games.
Re Derby I don't know why we focused on signing so many injury prone players in the summer!
Re Derby I don't know why we focused on signing so many injury prone players in the summer!
His appointments so far have worked so i guess both Cooper and Nuno had credit in the bank.
Postecoglou hasn't but it's too early IMO, let him lose the next 20 then sack him lol..
Postecoglou hasn't but it's too early IMO, let him lose the next 20 then sack him lol..
Hard to know what exactly is the major glitch at United but Amorim just isn’t cutting the muster there.Too much expectation coupled with a squad that are either not performing ( or even bothered)or simply not good enough.
Forest’s problems,much like our own stem from non-football people buying and “running” football teams.
Forest’s problems,much like our own stem from non-football people buying and “running” football teams.
I've said it many times, but I do wonder what would have happened if they'd given Moyes time to grow into the role? He was sacked after 51 games with a win ratio of 53%, in contrast Amorim has managed 48 games and his win ratio is 40%!
I appreciate management is far more subjective than just stats, but would United really be in a worse place now if they'd just kept faith at the time?
It feels, as an outsider, that things have actually got worse since Ratcliffe and INEOS took over football operations. Whether that is down to them or sheer bad luck is hard to say, but it increasingly seems like Ratcliffe was put on this Earth, much like Musk, to show that just because you're a billionaire it doesn't mean you're a genius.
They should have sacked Ten Hag after the FA cup win, instead they gave him a new deal and then had to pay him even more when they sacked him less than six months later.
Hiring Dan Ashworth and then not listening to him when he said Amorim was the wrong choice and that they should go for Thomas Frank, then sacking Ashworth for having the temerity to disagree with you.
Signing Amorim midway through a season, setting aside that clearly he was an awful choice, maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if he'd had the summer to work with players? Ironically I think it'd have been better for United and Leicester if they'd made van Nistelrooy interim till the summer.
All the redundancies. I get that United apparently had way more backroom staff than most clubs, and paying Ferguson £2million a year to be an 'ambassador' is pretty ridiculous when you think about it, but the timing and optics were atrocious. Making large scale redundancies of staff, most of whom weren't on mega bucks, at the same time as you have to spent almost fifteen million quid to get rid of Ten Hag, his coaches and Ashworth is never going to look good.
On top of this deciding that your new ground should look like a circus tent was the chef's kiss!
I appreciate management is far more subjective than just stats, but would United really be in a worse place now if they'd just kept faith at the time?
It feels, as an outsider, that things have actually got worse since Ratcliffe and INEOS took over football operations. Whether that is down to them or sheer bad luck is hard to say, but it increasingly seems like Ratcliffe was put on this Earth, much like Musk, to show that just because you're a billionaire it doesn't mean you're a genius.
They should have sacked Ten Hag after the FA cup win, instead they gave him a new deal and then had to pay him even more when they sacked him less than six months later.
Hiring Dan Ashworth and then not listening to him when he said Amorim was the wrong choice and that they should go for Thomas Frank, then sacking Ashworth for having the temerity to disagree with you.
Signing Amorim midway through a season, setting aside that clearly he was an awful choice, maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if he'd had the summer to work with players? Ironically I think it'd have been better for United and Leicester if they'd made van Nistelrooy interim till the summer.
All the redundancies. I get that United apparently had way more backroom staff than most clubs, and paying Ferguson £2million a year to be an 'ambassador' is pretty ridiculous when you think about it, but the timing and optics were atrocious. Making large scale redundancies of staff, most of whom weren't on mega bucks, at the same time as you have to spent almost fifteen million quid to get rid of Ten Hag, his coaches and Ashworth is never going to look good.
On top of this deciding that your new ground should look like a circus tent was the chef's kiss!
I think Moyes should have got longer. There was always going to be a period if change after Ferguson.
Imagine if Ferguson took charge now and made the same start they did back then, he would never have made it to the point they won their 1st trophy which I think was the FA Cup.
Everyone demands instant success.
Not quite the same but Jim Smith who became a Derby legend as manager had a dreadful start and the season only got going in November after the signing of Igor Stimac. We got promoted.
I know sometimes it works sacking the manager early, see Cooper at Forest, but not that often
Everyone demands instant success.
Not quite the same but Jim Smith who became a Derby legend as manager had a dreadful start and the season only got going in November after the signing of Igor Stimac. We got promoted.
I know sometimes it works sacking the manager early, see Cooper at Forest, but not that often
I think we lost Stimac's first game 5-1 to Tranmere...we didn't lose another game until March!
No one would get the amount of time Ferguson got at Man Utd these days.
Indeed we did, he did score though
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