Spoilers The Giggle grade and discussion thread

[Samurai8472]

I had this idea that when the 15th doctor regenerates RTD's will write some type of Kumbaya regeneration

As 15 lays dying all the known doctors will appear and give him the energy to regenerate. Some will appear through facial technology like in the 60th anniversary.

They'll all essentially sacrifice themselves thus ending all the bi regenerated doctors(and leaving the new head producer a clean slate)

7th doctor- We're all the doctor.....

 

[Mr. Adventure]

^ Until the next guy brings them all back in to some Super Sentai Army

 

[thribs]

They all combine to become the Super Doctor. Like Voltron.

 

[Samurai8472]

The Master- I AM ALL THE MASTERS!!!!!!

The Doctor- And I.....I am all the Jed....errrr Doctors

 

[Steve Roby]

I do wonder if repeat viewing will hold up when, after removing the novelty of the new Doctor, the Toymaker was defeated in a game of catch.

The Toymaker. godlike in his power, cruel and arbitrary in his treatment of humans who aren't even playing one of his games, someone who makes the Doctor come close to being afraid, is defeated in a game of catch. Yeah, I can just imagine what reaction that would have gotten from fans if it had been written for Thirteen and Yaz instead of Fourteen and Donna. The specials have been collections of great moments with old favourites that are undeniably fun despite being silly and messy. They won't necessarily age well.

 

[matthunter]

Well it's only slightly less daft than having your own game fooled into thinking the person making the move is you by having them throw their voice from inside their time/space machine.

 

[Samurai8472]

I feel like the game of catch was perfectly in line with doctor who.

the doctor is constantly making mention of how he defeats monsters and villains with trivial things

“ I once fought so and so with hopping!”

“I fought Robin Hood with a spoon” (which actually happened!)

so this seems in line with how the doctor usually rolls

“I beat a celestial god in a game of catch”

 

[Steve Roby]

"I defeated an enemy while far above the city of London by throwing a spherical object. Twice." Could come up with a new silly idea, if a silly idea is actually essential.

 

[bdub76]

Overall enjoyable.

Not in love with the regeneration. Do we get two TV shows now?

 

[matthunter]

Overnights were down a bit on last week (4.83M) = 4.62M, but drops of ~0.2M are pretty usual for each series - the starting value is the important point. Though the drop in consolidated ratings from The Star Beast to Wild Blue Yonder was a bit wider - need to see what this week's consolidated is.

 

[TedShatner10]

The "Stooky Sue" doll and her baby dolls were the right mixture of tense, creepy, cute, and sad (with her broad Scottish accent).

 

[Mr Awe]

The Toymaker. godlike in his power, cruel and arbitrary in his treatment of humans who aren't even playing one of his games, someone who makes the Doctor come close to being afraid, is defeated in a game of catch. Yeah, I can just imagine what reaction that would have gotten from fans if it had been written for Thirteen and Yaz instead of Fourteen and Donna. The specials have been collections of great moments with old favourites that are undeniably fun despite being silly and messy. They won't necessarily age well.

The first two specials were quite good. I particularly liked Wild Blue Yonder. But, agree, The Giggle wasn't great and probably won't age well.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I am looking forward to the One Who Waits.

Though for some reason that makes me think of Amy Pond more than anything.

 

[Starkers]

That was really good, until it jumped the shark, reversed, jumped the shark again and then ate the shark...and you know it was still enjoyable even then.

I'm just going to have to accept that Tennant like Tom is the most popular Doctor and so will turn up all the time from now on (not matter what RTD says). It feels like a cheap trick to have him on hand, just in case, and feels a trifle unfair on Ncuti, especially since he has his own Tardis. If it was the case that Fourteen will go off and eventually regenerate into Fifteen I'd have been ok with that, but instead each Doctor bi-regenerated now? And did each of them have a Tardis? I'm not sure that's fair on the old girl.

Anywhoo, NPH was great, Tennant and Tate were fab, Mel was great, the Master lives and Ncuti was fab, who knew when we saw that pic all those months ago that he'd be trouserless

All in all it was VERY RTD, bombastic and brilliant and in your face with a resolution pulled out of his bottom and a sneaky way of giving everyone what they want, even if only sort of get what they want (Rose doesn't get the Doctor she gets a copy of the Doctor etc).

Like I always say though, even when he annoys me RTD does at least get a reaction out of me, which is more than CC did.

Bring on the Goblins

 

[Starkers]

And a Modern Doctor that reflects what the show (and BBC) has become over the last few years. A Doctor that can go full-Queer; dance around in a skirt, have male love interests and have drag-queen companions. All those are coming.

Ncuti's wearing a kilt in the trailer. Not a skirt.

I'm going to be Mr. Grumpy now...

1 Doctor
1 Tardis
A Galifreyan - Not some Timeless child

Can we just stop messing with the core foundation's of the character please.

Ah the core foundations of the character like Galifrey the Doctor's home planet that was first seen in, checks notes, the Second Doctor's final story and didn't even have a name until, checks notes again, the Third Doctor's final season! Almost ten years after the show started.

The Doctor's character has always evolved, from regeneration to them not being human and having two hearts.

 

[Marc]

Ncuti's wearing a kilt in the trailer

Millie "how come you're dressed like you come from Scotland?"
15 "lots of planets have a Scotland".

 

[DigificWriter]

Do we get two TV shows now?

No.

 

[Tuskin38]

So the Doctors said Bi-Regeneration was a myth.

What if it caused by what 14 feared in Special 2, evoking superstition at the edge of the universe.

 

[DigificWriter]

So the Doctors said Bi-Regeneration was a myth.

What if it caused by what 14 feared in Special 2, evoking superstition at the edge of the universe.

I think it's more likely, should we ever get any explanation, that Split Regeneration being possible ends up being related to The Doctor being non-Gallifreyan/Time Lord, and that the reason it was considered a myth is because of Tecteun, Rassilon, etc. hiding the fact that they stole the ability to regenerate from The Doctor.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Finally have the chance to catch up on the thread. I haven't had the chance to rewatch the episode yet, so I'm still gnawing on the idea of bi-generation and what it may or may not mean for the series (regardless of what Davies has said in commentary outside of the series).

...and Kate when she was under the influence of the Giggle accusing Bingham of malingering since she'd moved her legs, just like the internet CHUDs a couple weeks ago. I suppose that reaction was predictable enough that RTD could make a called shot a year in advance depicting them as being insanely delusional because of too much screentime, but it was still pretty impressive.

Not unlike how the She-Hulk writers predicted how similar people would react to the show.

Universal truth: Internet trolls and bigots are inherently predictable.

RTD does add some fuel to the idea of the Timeless Child being a trick of some kind, with the Toymaker taking credit for turning the Doctor's life story into a jigsaw puzzle, and implying that he was using or impersonating the Master. I wonder who, exactly, is in that tooth. There were theories that the Spy Master might've actually been younger than Missy, or maybe even Saxon, since he didn't seem to be aware of any of her character development, but, now, it's possible the Spy Master never actually existed at all. And, of course, we've got another red-nailed hand saving the Master. It'd be a nice change if that ended up being someone guessable, rather than a red herring like last time where it was obviously Lucy Saxon, and ended up being a new character we'd never heard of before. Anyway, as far as the TC goes, much like Blade Runner, I find it far more interesting if the Doctor fears they might not be who they think they are than that they actually aren't who they think they are.

While I get the reflex for so many fans to find a way to quickly undo the Timeless Child, I'm also torn on this notion partially since I'm one of the few defenders of it. One of the things I was really excited about The Toymaker's return is seeing him mess around with The Doctor and his existence to the point that I was completely convinced that he was responsible for the repeated face. And while that didn't turn out to be case, I do still want The Toymaker to mess around with The Doctor on a greater scheme (much like Big Finish did to a degree). And yet, I don't want Davies (or anyone else) to use him to escape the Timeless Child. More than anything else, it reeks of what Marvel did with Norman Osborne and Peter Parker at the close of the Clone Saga and I still loathe that reveal.

Too long, didn't read: I'm rambling about how far I want Davies and others to use The Toymaker manipulate The Doctor's existence. I think it's a very fine line to walk before things get too warped and threatens the loss of genuine risk. Or am I worrying too much in a show like Doctor Who?

Also, all the standard potential story hooks from having a spare Doctor still apply. One could become the Curator while the other never retires, one could become the Valeyard (they're all technically between the Doctor's twelfth and final regeneration, now!), or we could just have David Tennent playing three distinct Doctors in the 70th anniversary special, just like the joke poster.

And then there's that possibility. Just embrace the madness!

My guess is that at some point, once the 14th has "healed", they'll just merge back with the 15th. Kinda like a stretched out version of what happened between the Watcher and 4th Doctor befor becoming the 5th.

I really like this idea. I don't necessarily need them to be tied in as actual explanations, but I think they work as head canon of sorts (I can already hear certain people screaming...and I don't care).