I liked the fact that Yoeman Mears didn't cry or whine in the episode. She was meeting death the same way all the men were during the impending burn up. Definitely a favorite as I was growing up.
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Lots of people in this episode behave like complete asshats. Boma is the obvious example of course, but McCoy also was a bit too mouthy and made the Boma situation worse. And for some reason the Commissioner actually smirks when they hear the shuttle has gone missing.
Actually, I'm not sure Spock would have addressed Boma's behavior. He would likely have chalked it up to human emotionalism and not seen it as anything personal.
Actually Mears manages to maintain more discipline that some of the men in the episode. However, the role was originally written for my beloved Rand so Mears loses points for being a cheap replacement!
Who do you take along with you to study a mini-quasar? Mears would be a hardened soldier with some clerical training - but Boma, Latimer and Gaetano are probably nerdy scientists, possibly with narrow-field specialities pertaining to the quasarlet. They'd not be accustomed to discipline, and might in fact find it reprehensible that somebody claiming to be "superior" messes with their important affairs. They'd certainly take exception to Spock's handling of the crisis situation, for the double reasons of them having no experience with such situations, and of them being accustomed to arguing with their boss about professional matters.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
Kinda weird how everybody has a good, long laugh even though Latimer and somebody from one of the later landing parties got skewered and Gaetano died too.
That always bothered me too.
Someone posted that clip in another thread.
Looking at it now, it seems waaay out of place....(and very cheesy).
This is coming from a TOS fan.
No, no, you're thinking of Don Marshall's OTHER tv series.
I really enjoy this episode. Spock is my favorite, and I like watching his take on command. While Boma gets under my skin, I wonder if I wouldn't feel the same way in his place. If my superior officer was sending out fellow crewmen-- my friends, possibly-- to their deaths and still clung to what he deemed the "logical" approach, I'm sure I would grumble behind the scenes, if nothing else. I don't have Boma's tenacity to snap at a Vulcan to his face, but as much as he irritates me (seriously, I kind of wanted him to die), I sympathize.
And yes, Scotty is SO the man in this episode. He's above all the drama. He's got a job to do, and that's what he does.
And yes, Scotty is SO the man in this episode. He's above all the drama. He's got a job to do, and that's what he does.
Ehh, I think Mears was much prettier.
It seems that everyone, from commissioners to ambassadors, are a bunch of swaggering, pomus asshole.
Like the old saying goes, "Some people would rather be correct, than be happy."
I love this episode too...except for the forced laughter at the end....
Yesh.
It didn't hurt that Yeoman Mears was also a stone cold fox, either.Sher looks even hotter (pardon the pun) in the remastered version
It seems that everyone, from commissioners to ambassadors, are a bunch of swaggering, pomus asshole.
Space Douches, we like to call them Space Douches...
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I found this episode to be a little weird. The crewmen being downright insubordanite was ludacris. They thought they where right, when Spock was right, They couldn't have held a funeral for the dead crewman and still gotten off the planet with their lives.
I guess they didn't see Spock as an authority figure. Or maybe they. I do not know. I do know that they would never have done this with Kirk, or if Spock had been a captain.
I guess they didn't see Spock as an authority figure. Or maybe they. I do not know. I do know that they would never have done this with Kirk, or if Spock had been a captain.
Why not? Spock was acting pretty idiotically, getting people killed left and right. Had he had more stripes on his sleeve, or had it been Kirk instead of Spock who was making the mistakes, I'd still expect some mouthing off - if not a quick phaser shot in the back behind some suitable rock.
It wasn't that Spock didn't have authority. It was that he wasn't doing anything good with it. Add a shuttle full of people who were sent to study an astrophysical phenomenon, not to fight giant barbarians for their lives; then add a veteran officer who has a long history of being "insubordinate" to Spock, in a friendly sense that the newcomers probably will misunderstand; and you're all set.
Timo Saloniemi
It wasn't that Spock didn't have authority. It was that he wasn't doing anything good with it. Add a shuttle full of people who were sent to study an astrophysical phenomenon, not to fight giant barbarians for their lives; then add a veteran officer who has a long history of being "insubordinate" to Spock, in a friendly sense that the newcomers probably will misunderstand; and you're all set.
Timo Saloniemi
I thought the dynamic played out with Chief Tirrol and Racetrack in BSG felt more realistic than in Galileo 7. In context, people at home in the sixties would have viewed Spock in a similar way to the crew here but realistically, Starfleet crew in the 23rd century were supposed tyo be trained astronauts and should be used to dealing with alien cultures as well as trained to react under pressure.
The episode suggests that many starfleet officers have very weak characters and poor training in our utopian future. Conversely, Racetrack was just an officer who was a good pilot but had no brains in order to deal with small unit tactics beyond what he'd learned in basic training of a cash-strapped military.
I think Troi was treated quite poorly too when she was placed in charge of the ship in TNG. Suggesting that a starfleet officer wouldn't know what happens when warp core breaches was ludicrous. I've never spent a day in Starfleet or on a starship and even I know that it isn't a good thing.
The episode suggests that many starfleet officers have very weak characters and poor training in our utopian future. Conversely, Racetrack was just an officer who was a good pilot but had no brains in order to deal with small unit tactics beyond what he'd learned in basic training of a cash-strapped military.
I think Troi was treated quite poorly too when she was placed in charge of the ship in TNG. Suggesting that a starfleet officer wouldn't know what happens when warp core breaches was ludicrous. I've never spent a day in Starfleet or on a starship and even I know that it isn't a good thing.
Starfleet personnel never were particularly disciplined or educated in TOS. Leers and jeers were the norm; there was no indication of initiative from anybody who wasn't a bridge officer; and classic disciplinary measures were still in use, including a brig to which servicemen were readily hauled by unquestioning security personnel.
Also, why would a character be "weak" for calling Spock on his idiocy? Wouldn't a "strong" character arrange to have Spock out of the way, take control of the situation, save the day and then quietly restore a modicum of dignity to the sidetracked superior?
For all we know, Boma was more highly educated that Spock, and for this reason considered himself de facto superior, even if Spock was superior de orichalcum...
Agreed that the writing was poor - but the situation is still quite salvageable. The dialogue doesn't necessarily establish that Troi doesn't know what a warp core breach is. It only establishes that Ensign Ro is a sarcastic bitch who misses no opportunity to make her colleagues look bad.
Troi asks a perfectly valid question there. It's just that Ro fails to answer that question, and instead inserts one of her jabs.
Troi wouldn't be asking "What does a containment breach mean?". She'd be asking "What does it mean that fifteen percent is our limit? Does it mean we have hours? Days? Minutes? What are you expecting of me? That I order one of you to do something technical? Help me out here, please!".
Timo Saloniemi
Also, why would a character be "weak" for calling Spock on his idiocy? Wouldn't a "strong" character arrange to have Spock out of the way, take control of the situation, save the day and then quietly restore a modicum of dignity to the sidetracked superior?
For all we know, Boma was more highly educated that Spock, and for this reason considered himself de facto superior, even if Spock was superior de orichalcum...
Agreed that the writing was poor - but the situation is still quite salvageable. The dialogue doesn't necessarily establish that Troi doesn't know what a warp core breach is. It only establishes that Ensign Ro is a sarcastic bitch who misses no opportunity to make her colleagues look bad.
Troi asks a perfectly valid question there. It's just that Ro fails to answer that question, and instead inserts one of her jabs.
Troi wouldn't be asking "What does a containment breach mean?". She'd be asking "What does it mean that fifteen percent is our limit? Does it mean we have hours? Days? Minutes? What are you expecting of me? That I order one of you to do something technical? Help me out here, please!".
Timo Saloniemi
Spock behaved like an idiot.
Had he never heard of the heavy stun setting?
Wasting shots/fuel to 'frighten' ?? WTF?
Leaving a guy out alone in the fog to do what again?
"Remember, there are giant hostile aliens out there who want to rip you limb from limb, but i want to stay out there alone in poor visiblilty conditions and what ever you do don't actually do anything to hurt them!!" "And by the way, I am your intelectual superior in every way."
Please he was written as an idiot in that episode. Had he been written so terribly the reast of the series he would NOT have become an icon.
And unless the ground was made from the same stuff as in 'That Which Survives'---how hard is it to blast a small grave and say a few words for a fallen comrade?
Had he never heard of the heavy stun setting?
Wasting shots/fuel to 'frighten' ?? WTF?
Leaving a guy out alone in the fog to do what again?
"Remember, there are giant hostile aliens out there who want to rip you limb from limb, but i want to stay out there alone in poor visiblilty conditions and what ever you do don't actually do anything to hurt them!!" "And by the way, I am your intelectual superior in every way."
Please he was written as an idiot in that episode. Had he been written so terribly the reast of the series he would NOT have become an icon.
And unless the ground was made from the same stuff as in 'That Which Survives'---how hard is it to blast a small grave and say a few words for a fallen comrade?
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