While they were reasonably successfully and certainly believably married I wouldn't use the word romantic to describe it.
The flaws of Ezri Dax
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While they were reasonably successfully and certainly believably married I wouldn't use the word romantic to describe it.
^Well, as "Fascination" makes clear, for all their bickering, they really do feel for each other. It's complex, but in the end, it is love.
I dunno. Maybe it's because they wake up fully clothed with their respective hairstyles in place....
Also, recall that when Worf and Jadzia made out (in "Looking For...") there were decidedly more injuries than a slight ache in the neck, like Ezri got.
(Unless Worf's mellowing out. Scary thought....)
I dunno. Maybe it's because they wake up fully clothed with their respective hairstyles in place....
Also, recall that when Worf and Jadzia made out (in "Looking For...") there were decidedly more injuries than a slight ache in the neck, like Ezri got.
(Unless Worf's mellowing out. Scary thought....)
^Well, as "Fascination" makes clear, for all their bickering, they really do feel for each other. It's complex, but in the end, it is love.
I dunno. Maybe it's because they wake up fully clothed with their respective hairstyles in place....
Also, recall that when Worf and Jadzia made out (in "Looking For...") there were decidedly more injuries than a slight ache in the neck, like Ezri got.
(Unless Worf's mellowing out. Scary thought....)
According to Terry J. Erdman's Deep Space Nine Companion, Worf was fully clothed in that scene due to, according to Behr, the "whole production question" of "what does a Klingon look like under his clothes? It was just too complicated to think about." So Worf and Erzi had sex, then got dressed and fixed their hair. Daft, I agree, but a production necessity.
Worf mellowing out? Perish the thought!
How was Ezri flawed?
No more flawed than:
- A CO who uses his ship and crew to satisfy a personal vendetta against a subordinate who duped him, and who tricked an entire Empire into a major interstellar war.
- A Klingon, who despite following his people's values on honour to such a degree, cannot realise that Klingons are fallible, aren't always honourable and that he has time and again had to sacrifice his own honour to keep the entire Klingon Empire together.
- A Changeling who could never admit to himself that he wanted to return to his people, despite shunning them for being evil when he first met them.
- An XO who wanted the Federation out when Sisko and co. went there, but perhaps didn't realise that the alternative killed millions of her own people and treated them as worse than animals, and that Starfleet did its best to help Bajor recover (by her own admission).
- A Ferengi bartender/owner who was a small-time trader in the grand scheme of Ferengi, and his brother who lack the balls to seek out an engineering career much earlier in his life.
well, you get the picture..
None of the major characters were perfect. None in Trek ever have been. People say that the TNG characters were so, but how about an overly ethical Picard who didn't like children? A confident XO who didn't have the confidence to except his own command? An android who was by far the most intelligent of the senior staff, but who lacked the intelligence to understand emotions? A technical genius of a Chief Engineer, who by his own admission was so, but couldn't score with women? In the other series, Janeway was erratic, Tom Paris never took anything seriously, etc.
No more flawed than:
- A CO who uses his ship and crew to satisfy a personal vendetta against a subordinate who duped him, and who tricked an entire Empire into a major interstellar war.
- A Klingon, who despite following his people's values on honour to such a degree, cannot realise that Klingons are fallible, aren't always honourable and that he has time and again had to sacrifice his own honour to keep the entire Klingon Empire together.
- A Changeling who could never admit to himself that he wanted to return to his people, despite shunning them for being evil when he first met them.
- An XO who wanted the Federation out when Sisko and co. went there, but perhaps didn't realise that the alternative killed millions of her own people and treated them as worse than animals, and that Starfleet did its best to help Bajor recover (by her own admission).
- A Ferengi bartender/owner who was a small-time trader in the grand scheme of Ferengi, and his brother who lack the balls to seek out an engineering career much earlier in his life.
well, you get the picture..
None of the major characters were perfect. None in Trek ever have been. People say that the TNG characters were so, but how about an overly ethical Picard who didn't like children? A confident XO who didn't have the confidence to except his own command? An android who was by far the most intelligent of the senior staff, but who lacked the intelligence to understand emotions? A technical genius of a Chief Engineer, who by his own admission was so, but couldn't score with women? In the other series, Janeway was erratic, Tom Paris never took anything seriously, etc.
^Well, as "Fascination" makes clear, for all their bickering, they really do feel for each other. It's complex, but in the end, it is love.
I dunno. Maybe it's because they wake up fully clothed with their respective hairstyles in place....
Also, recall that when Worf and Jadzia made out (in "Looking For...") there were decidedly more injuries than a slight ache in the neck, like Ezri got.
(Unless Worf's mellowing out. Scary thought....)
According to Terry J. Erdman's Deep Space Nine Companion, Worf was fully clothed in that scene due to, according to Behr, the "whole production question" of "what does a Klingon look like under his clothes? It was just too complicated to think about." So Worf and Erzi had sex, then got dressed and fixed their hair. Daft, I agree, but a production necessity.
Worf mellowing out? Perish the thought!
Well they were in the middle of a war zone; they weren't exactly "on guard" (obviously), but putting the clothes back on may have been an attempt to be a little prepared? Although the hair, yeah...
Although, Worf's hair was at least flowing loose, so that's gotta mean something right? Kinda like putting the boots back on?
It's safe to say Kira was well aware of the alternative; she just didn't trust *any* outside power. Which, if you go with the novels version of how the Occupation began (and what canon hints we get), is perfectly plausible.
^Well, as "Fascination" makes clear, for all their bickering, they really do feel for each other. It's complex, but in the end, it is love.
I dunno. Maybe it's because they wake up fully clothed with their respective hairstyles in place....
Also, recall that when Worf and Jadzia made out (in "Looking For...") there were decidedly more injuries than a slight ache in the neck, like Ezri got.
(Unless Worf's mellowing out. Scary thought....)
According to Terry J. Erdman's Deep Space Nine Companion, Worf was fully clothed in that scene due to, according to Behr, the "whole production question" of "what does a Klingon look like under his clothes? It was just too complicated to think about." So Worf and Erzi had sex, then got dressed and fixed their hair. Daft, I agree, but a production necessity.
Worf mellowing out? Perish the thought!
So...how come Ezri didn't have any broken bones, or anything more than an ache in the neck? She certainly looks more "fragile" than Jadzia. And Worf later made it clear that "On Goralis...I allowed myself to see [Jadzia] instead of you."
I dunno. I'm just thinking.
(Oh...and to answer your question, Kestral...well, his hair was loose beforehand, when the two were bantering around the fire....)
According to Terry J. Erdman's Deep Space Nine Companion, Worf was fully clothed in that scene due to, according to Behr, the "whole production question" of "what does a Klingon look like under his clothes? It was just too complicated to think about." So Worf and Erzi had sex, then got dressed and fixed their hair. Daft, I agree, but a production necessity.
Worf mellowing out? Perish the thought!
So...how come Ezri didn't have any broken bones, or anything more than an ache in the neck? She certainly looks more "fragile" than Jadzia. And Worf later made it clear that "On Goralis...I allowed myself to see [Jadzia] instead of you."
I dunno. I'm just thinking.
(Oh...and to answer your question, Kestral...well, his hair was loose beforehand, when the two were bantering around the fire....)
Ah, good point the already-loose hair, I'd forgotten that.
Maybe Ezri's more flexible (if unlikely)... or not as aggressive in return, lets herself be more submissive... or at least doesn't try and match Worf's strength... maybe Worf was gentler with her because she is smaller... maybe he was feeling sweet that night... also, we never heard about Troi having any broken bones, so maybe Jadzia's the exception since she's more into the Klingon thing and likes it very rough?
Just a few other explanations.
I think one of the tv writers at the time dubbed her "Ally McTrill." Perfect description. She was more annoying than Deanna Troi at her worst. But unlike Troi, whom they had plenty of time to improve and get me to like, Ezri was only one for one season. She was annoying and neurotic and yuck I wanted Jadzia back!
^Ah-hem:
5ft 5 isn't even short, it's just short for DS9. Had she been in Buffy she'd have looked quite tall.
I only recently found out she's 5ft 5, I expected her to be shorter because I didn't realise Jadzia was 6ft. I feel extra small at 5ft 2 now
My main issue with Ezri was she was brought in too quick after Jadzia's death. Also she was a bit too sweet for my liking, kinda like Kes. She did grow on me though and I liked the idea that she wasn't prepared to be joined.
I only recently found out she's 5ft 5, I expected her to be shorter because I didn't realise Jadzia was 6ft. I feel extra small at 5ft 2 now
My main issue with Ezri was she was brought in too quick after Jadzia's death. Also she was a bit too sweet for my liking, kinda like Kes. She did grow on me though and I liked the idea that she wasn't prepared to be joined.
Yeah, DS9 is a show with a tall cast, except for the Ferengi actors (which actually helped them a lot to look smaller than they really are). 5'5" is not short at all... People also often call Kira petite and tiny (especially when they're complaining why this allegedly tiny woman is such a good fighter, as if this only depends on size) even though Nana Visitor is 5'8", last time I checked that was well over the average height for a woman. But with most people on the show being 6' and over, anyone shorter than that seems smaller.5ft 5 isn't even short, it's just short for DS9. Had she been in Buffy she'd have looked quite tall.
I only recently found out she's 5ft 5, I expected her to be shorter because I didn't realise Jadzia was 6ft. I feel extra small at 5ft 2 now
When it comes to counseling, Ezri flies circles around Deanna Troi.
the only flaw with Ezri is that she wasn't in more episodes
Well, I see what you are saying, but I think the real issue is whether or not she should have been added at all.
I actually quite like Ezri, but her character development DID take away from the progression of the war in S7.
It certainly wasn't her fault, but it was a distraction.
Ezri was great - her only 'fault', which was really more TPTB's & Terry Ferrell's 'fault', is that she arrived in S7, right smack in the middle of the war arc.
Might it have been better to go without a Dax at all in S7 is certainly open for debate. But EZRI Dax in particular was just fine, IMO.
No one is more annoying that Deanna Troi. Sorry.
LOL, well, opinions will vary. I guess I kinda give Troi the benefit of the doubt because she reminds me of myself, at least superficially: short, petite, dark, curly hair, overbearing mother who wonders when I'm gonna get married/have kids ... once they finally got Troi in a regular Starfleet outfit, I was happy. Personally, I found Ezri (whom I will always think of as "Ally McTrill") more annoying and useless than Troi ever was. And at least you could believe Troi's romance with Riker (Worf is another story, but let's not get into that), they knew each other for years. Worf/Ezri and especially Wof/Julian were just thrown together at the last minute. I know, there's the excuse that she was only on for a year, but so was Dr. Pulaski on TNG and I found her more interesting and a better fit with the rest of the cast than Ezri ever was. But hey, different opinions make life interesting.
Ezri was OK. Her best episodes were The Siege of AR-558 and Tacking into the Wind. I didn't really care for the more Ezri-centric episodes and the love triangle plot never worked for me, but I liked her well enough.
I liked Ezri. She was sweet.
I never considered short or petite until you said so--probably because I really like short petite women and I can't stand her. Though, her accent probably has as much to do with that as anything. It's the whole Fingernails/Chalkboard thing.
In any case, for curiosity's sake I just googled her height and I got like six different answers.
Marina Sirtis?
^Ah-hem:
There is a megabadass avatar in there somewhere.
I approve.
I always thought "petite" meant short and very thin, maybe even a bit childlike-looking, with a girly figure or face. Marina Sirtis is short, but she's not what I'd call petite by any means - being curvy and big-breasted. Jennifer Lien is who I'd describe as "petite".
I never considered short or petite until you said so--probably because I really like short petite women and I can't stand her. Though, her accent probably has as much to do with that as anything. It's the whole Fingernails/Chalkboard thing.
In any case, for curiosity's sake I just googled her height and I got like six different answers.
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