Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Christopher, Oct 9, 2019.
It's all silly story contrivance at this point.
Frost only has to learn how to process a crime scene like a cop, and not like a scientist... Although, wasn't Frost watching Caitlins life and can probably science it up if she has too?
Maybe Frost wasn't paying attention.
Wondering what happened to to Barry's visit to 2024 when he wanted to learn Savitar's identity not to mention his going to 2049 last season. It would have affected the last half of season 3 and all of season 4 as it helped Barry get a step ahead knowing who Devoe was.
I know..temporal mechanics gives us all headaches.
The whole idea of the Crisis in the Arrowverse affecting the future has a couple of plotholes.
The biggest I can see is obviously, at least Earth 1 survives otherwise who writes the newspaper article? So, Flash traveling to the future would be allowed but Savitar's existing wouldn't make any sense.
Does Ollie know about the existence of the newspaper?
Doesn't the annihilation wave affect all times at once when it does happen?
They did that kind of thing in the DS9 Millenium novel series. The past, the present, and the future all disappear at once. It isn't just the "newspaper", it's Thawne, Nora, etc.
i am surprised no one heard the easter egg of Ralph's mom's boyfriend -- Marv Perez ... Marv Wolfman & George Perez, the writer/artist team of Crsis????
I couldn't tell who her other boyfriends were...anyone recognize them?
We didn't get last names. They were Doug, Craig, and Nick.
I thought the "when" of the Crisis kept changing... maybe that "explains" it.
Does Earth 1 survive or is it just a Earth that survives?
In the comic,
Spoiler: COIE comics ending for those who don't mind Spoiling a possible ending of the crossover and who have never read the original story
None of the Earths survive but they are combined to form a single universe that somehow has always been. For example, Power Girl had always been Superman's cousin (although that was quickly changed, Superman had never been Superboy, the Justice Society had always existed on the same Earth as the Justice League, etc.
yep. It’s what I was alluding to.
I find it very unlikely they’ll merge all the universes. Maybe some will be. But I don’t think earth-38 will be. It would lose its uniqueness.
I also doubt they will merge all of them. But i think Earth-1 , Earth -38 and Earth -BL (which i maintain is a post-Crisis Earth, so nothing that came before will be "erased" or whatever).
They will still have certain Earths...and I am hoping for a "proper" version of Comics Earth 3, where we have occasional battles with evil versions of our heroes (which don't HAVE to be our actors, unless they want to).
I just don't see the point of doing the Crisis if the result isn't all the Earth's merge into one. I mean, that's the whole point of the Crisis. Merging some but not others is really messy from a narrative point of view. Flashpoint shows they aren't hesitant to change backstory as long as the new status quo matches up well enough for re-runs.
HOW TIME TRAVEL WORKS IN THE ARROWVERSE.
You change time in the past, and the future changes/overwrites to reflect that new past, and every one in the past of that future, with foreknowledge, their memories also eventually change, until no one knows that the future used to be different. Savitar in the past turning into a mindwiped moron, only after Barry is temporarily brainwiped and turns into a brain wiped moron.
The antimatter wall is new.
However since it is new, but has also "always" been there in the future, then the memories of every one who has future knowledge of there not being an antimatter wall, their memories will start to change, as if it has always been there.
The thing is...they have had about 30 years to see the result of the Crisis...and how it didnt quote work as expected. They have been respectful of the past while having new twists that work better for 2019 and beyond.
They can either say goodbye to some worlds (especially the ones where actors may pass away soon), have some as "backup" for possible future appearances...while streamlining the DC Berlanti Shows....the dimensional breaches I always felt was ridiculously small and simple.
Also a way to get rid of a few characters in a memorable way
Zero Hour, A Crisis in Time was late 1994.
I don't know, Earth-1 and Earth-38's histories are so unique, I think it would be hard to just merge them with really address how radically it would change everything. It would end up leaving a lot of questions about how exactly the merging effects everything, and I just can't see the shows wanting to take enough time out of their stories to explore in the kind of depth it would need.
I agree to a certain extent. If only some of the Earths are merged then the stage is set for the same stupidity that we had after the end of the original Crisis--the most idiotic mistake DC made was to only reboot some of their series. Either none of our characters Earths are affected or all of them are.
That was the point in the comics, but an adaptation doesn't have to serve the same purpose as the original. In the comics, the point of Spider-Man's inclusion in Civil War was to lead to the exposure of his secret identity to the world and his falling-out with Tony Stark and departure from the Avengers. The movies handled it in a completely different way. In the X-Men comics, "Days of Future Past" was just a basic "prevent a terrible future from happening" story and ended up with the status quo preserved, while in the movies, it was about going back into the past (relative to the audience, not just the time-traveler character) and rebooting the whole series continuity.
As I've been saying in another thread, the point of an adaptation is not just to repeat what the original already did. That would be redundant. An adaptation is more like an offspring -- it has its parent's genes, but it's a distinct individual and may or may not resemble its parent that closely. It's a new story inspired by the original, a different variation on the theme. That's especially true in comics adaptations where you have decades' worth of ideas to draw on and can put the pieces of many different storylines together in new ways.
Besides, we know in retrospect that merging the Earths was a mistake. DC ended up regretting it and eventually undoing it, restoring the multiverse. There is absolutely no sense in expecting today's creators to slavishly repeat that mistake. We should know better by now.
Bottom line, the responsibility of the shows' creators is to the shows they're making now, not to the comics that were made decades ago. They have to tell the best stories they can in their series, with their characters and plotlines. We've seen countless times already that when they take ideas from the comics, they don't slavishly copy them, but they use them to serve their own characters and plots. The comics are not a straitjacket, they're just a source of ingredients to mix together in a new recipe.
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