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Spoilers The Flash - Season 5

I hate to slag on any actors, but, man... Chris Klein is a terrible actor.

And, why didn’t Cicada just kill Iris and Ralph? Like he didn’t need them alive for the heroes to come... just the appearance...

AND, for someone who can run so fast she can move through time WHY IS DODGING A KNIFE SO HARD!? I get why she can’t touch it, but... she cant move the others? And, if the knife was limiting her powers at that moment, then maybe they should explain that.

I’m about half way through the episode and I’m already thinking of bailing on it.

ANNNNND: if she’s already trying to change the events of the “present” why didn’t she just tell them what was about to happen? Wouldn’t that be the best way?

So. She DOES tell them, but not everything. Sure, it’s an opportunity to possibly catch him with him not aware, but. Ugh.

These characters are dumb.

He’s DOWN. Punch him unconscious! Freeze him! Don’t just stand there— oh. He flew away.

These characters are SUPER dumb.
 
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Savitar was already the "God of Speed," so a villain named Godspeed is getting a bit repetitive.

I wonder why there are so many more speedsters than other categories of metahuman. Perhaps because the Speed Force is a whole cosmic continuum, so it's available for a lot of metas to tap into. Or because meta abilities come from dark matter, which is a constituent of the Speed Force continuum, apparently.
 
Christopher said:
Savitar was already the "God of Speed," so a villain named Godspeed is getting a bit repetitive.

I wonder why there are so many more speedsters than other categories of metahuman. Perhaps because the Speed Force is a whole cosmic continuum, so it's available for a lot of metas to tap into. Or because meta abilities come from dark matter, which is a constituent of the Speed Force continuum, apparently.
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Godspeed is a villain in the current Flash title. Not surprised they are going to him if they want another speedster.
 
Wow. The big King Shark vs. Gorilla Grodd fight really lived up to the hype. The CG animators really pulled out all the stops, giving us a lengthy, uninterrupted sequence with a lot of action. I could tell it was a labor of love. They've been wanting to do this for years, and they finally pulled it off. No wonder they saved it until after a hiatus -- they probably needed the extra time to finish the effects.

What's more, they managed to give King Shark a rather poignant and unexpectedly heroic character arc, so it was a fairly touching story too. Although it came at the expense of Grodd, who was barely even a character here, more just an obstacle. He was pretty much just going through the motions.

And yay, Joe's back!
 
Are they really angry at Barry because he gave him the cure? Talk about unnecessary drama.
 
^The moral problems with a cure for superpowers have driven much more extensive storylines in other franchises -- the mutant cure storyline in X-Men comics and film, for instance. And the idea of forcing a "cure" onto a non-consenting community is a matter of real-world controversy. Cisco and Caitlin are absolutely right to insist that the cure be administered ethically, used only on metas who want to be cured rather than turned into a weapon against the entire meta community.
 
But he had already shown interest in the cure, plus Barry was trying to save Cisco's life. To question Barry's character because of that seemed incredibly unwarranted.
 
I don't think that Cisco was upset Barry saved his life--but the cure is a very dangerous weapon, and Barry abandoned the principle very easily, and inserted his own beliefs on both King Shark and Cisco and Caitlyn, without permission.

To me, this episode demonstrated the difference between Flash's writers and Supergirl's. Both Flash and Supergirl this week made godlike decisions for other people, without their consent. Both cases involved the title character making a mistake. But the difference was that on Flash, the writers tackled it head on, and the title character knew he made a mistake, apologized, and promised to do better. On Supergirl, she smugly played god and doesn't even think she was wrong.
 
To be fair, Baker most likely had some insidious agenda and it wasn't really about protecting Humanity. Kara likely had some kind of suspicions about that.


Back to The Flash, surely at least Nora has some suspicions that Grace is a meta now?
 
What's not to love about this episode:
- An amazing comic book boss fight between Grodd and King Shark with Barry and Nora adding in some cool speed force tricks into the mix too.
- Some interesting moral questions like should meta-humans be held responsible for their crimes when they are under the influence of their meta transformations. Also, should metas be given a choice whether to take a meta cure that will remove their meta powers.
- A good use of Sherloque in this episode and a sweet "beauty and the beast" subplot well executed.
- King Shark turns out to be a hero!
- And Joe is back!! Yes!! His "old soul" wisdom is why he was sorely missed on the show.

Really fun episode!!
 
Finn said:
To be fair, Baker most likely had some insidious agenda and it wasn't really about protecting Humanity. Kara likely had some kind of suspicions about that.
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However, he's the lawful President, and it's not Supergirl's place to destroy a multibillion dollar satellite because she doesn't like it. She was 100 percent wrong. Not even 99 percent. There is no defense for her. Even if she had proof of some sort of insidious agenda, it should be brought to the Department of Justice, the press, and Congress. She doesn't have the right to cost billions to taxpayers because she doesn't agree with a President's foreign policy.

Finn said:
Back to The Flash, surely at least Nora has some suspicions that Grace is a meta now?
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Nora is young and inexperienced. I don't know how old she is on the show, but she comes off as someone in their late teens. Very green.

Romulan_spy said:
- Some interesting moral questions like should meta-humans be held responsible for their crimes when they are under the influence of their meta transformations. Also, should metas be given a choice whether to take a meta cure that will remove their meta powers.
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Now THIS is a fun topic. The answer to the first question is no--unless they purposefully transformed into metas. I believe it would be similar to the legal defense of involuntary intoxication. King Shark didn't choose to be a meta. It was almost like someone spiked his drink. He didn't have the mental state to commit a crime, and he could not be held responsible criminally for anything he did.

As for giving them a choice, that is a much more debatable topic. If people can't decide themselves, who has the right to make that decision? I think it should also depend on things the metas have done. Going back to the involuntary intoxication, they would have to prove that their actions were caused by the meta transformation.

For example, in Cicada's case, if his niece was in a coma and same circumstances, would Cicada have felt that hate for metas? Did his own meta transformation alter his mind, or did it merely provide him with the means to carry out his agenda?

I think that there would have be some sort of authority, no different than a judge who passes sentence, who would have to evaluate whether an involuntary removal of powers is in order. If someone has only done evil things, then it makes sense for the betterment of society.

The meta powers could easily drive someone insane, and that insanity would remove that person's capacity to make this decision.

Take The Joker. If that cure could remove his insanity, it would make sense to force it on him. Or Poison Ivy--she's done nothing but evil things and is dangerous, especially given she can control other people.

It's a harder call for someone like Charles Xavier, who does nothing but good, but could be a dangerous weapon should he decide to become evil or be forced to do evil things against his will.
 
Finn said:
To be fair, Baker most likely had some insidious agenda and it wasn't really about protecting Humanity. Kara likely had some kind of suspicions about that.
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Kara is told (by a baddie) that if the Earthlings had project Claymore 20 years ago, then they would have murdered her, and that tomorrow forward every other little girl (like wee Kara) in a shuttle approaching Earth will also be murdered rather than be admitted Earthward peacefully... And she believed Manchester Black, because Supergirl is not smart.

Supergirl blew up a weapons platform because it was a direct threat to hypothetical people exactly like her, little blond girls, when 50 percent of the reason that Jor-El picked Earth (according to John Byrne) was that it was a low tech world, with no border security, populated by easily dominated backward medieval savages.

"Sigh"

Maybe Kara watches the edited sanitized terrestrial network version of Game of thrones with less murder, incest and boobies?
 
Meh...by that reasoning, Superman should have sat and done nothing when Lex Luthor was president

Many of us would have done the same thing as Kara if we could when seeing something wrong....
 
Guy Gardener said:
Kara is told (by a baddie) that if the Earthlings had project Claymore 20 years ago, then they would have murdered her, and that tomorrow forward every other little girl (like wee Kara) in a shuttle approaching Earth will also be murdered rather than be admitted Earthward peacefully... And she believed Manchester Black, because Supergirl is not smart.
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This satellite posed no immediate threat to any innocent lives. The only threat was to the White House, but Kara neutralized that threat before destroying the satellite. The president did nothing illegal.

While I agree that mindlessly murdering aliens is wrong, that's a topic that Kara could bring to the attention of the public and let Congress and the President decide. She didn't do that because she wanted to play God.

What if there is an invasion that the satellite could have stopped, and millions of lives are lost because Kara took the law into her own hands?

Ok, this is getting off topic. I'll go back to The Flash. I just wanted to point out the contrasting views of the writers of each show, where the Flash writers were smart enough to take Barry to task for his decision.
 
Finn said:
Meh...by that reasoning, Superman should have sat and done nothing when Lex Luthor was president

Many of us would have done the same thing as Kara if we could when seeing something wrong....
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IRL, the US Government was keeping kids in cages.
 
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