Is it just me or is something wrong with Jesse L Martin? He just seems off and a bit out of it. And correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't he been sitting down in every scene this year? I know he was at least in all of 502.
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Hmm, I did find it odd to see Captain Singh at the crime scene instead of Joe. I figured it was just to set up his introduction to Nora, but maybe there is an issue with Martin. Hopefully it's nothing serious.
Well isn't here always a version of Barry in the future as in Savitar? Don't remember the time line for Savitar Flash or really the whole story of him to be honest. Always thought when Barry went into the future to find out whom Savitar was that the version of him he was talking to was the Savitar version of him (time remnant) and that original Barry from that timeline was in the 22nd dealing with Reverse Flash and everyone.
I also hired hoe Joe has yet to be seen upright this year. Maybe the actor had an operation? I’ve a co-either who had a hop replaced recently, made me think of this.
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Really??? Sounded like the normal upbeat inspirational father Joe usually is.
Hope all is well with him...
Sneak Peak for tonight:
According to Nora, Supergirl, the Legends, the League and the Green Arrow try to stop Cicada in the future and fail. 
After watching "Blocked" again, I'm puzzled by the Vanessa/Block character. She apparently spent the last 4 years in Iron Heights, she's a metahuman that Team Flash hasn't encountered before, and she said having powers was her "new look." Now, if she'd had powers the whole time, then presumably Team Flash would've been the ones who caught her. If not, why would she have just languished in prison without using her powers to escape? And if she's only just gotten powers, how did it happen? Odd that Team Flash isn't curious about the origins of her powers, given they just spent a whole season fighting new metas created by the Thinker, so you'd think they'd be concerned about more new metas showing up inexplicably.
So regarding John Wesley Schipp as the 90s Flash, and the "debate"... honestly, i thought the 90's Flash cameo was simply an Easter Egg throw in by the producers. One of the things that i love about the new show is the extreme respect they have for the 90's series (and the comic genre / history in general).
I was satisfied with just those nods, that I never really thought they would really integrate the 90's show. I am cool with it generally...though those photos really make the 90's costume look like it is from the 90's (i.e. the padding)
Oh..and like everyone else, I love Jessica Parker Kennedy in her role. There were a couple scenes last episode where she really looked like Iris. And of course the personality totally fits in with the vibe (pun intended) of The Flash show. And Joe seems to have gotten quickly into grandpa mode (and Nora loving it)
...the casting staff have done a great job picking the right people all these years..
I was satisfied with just those nods, that I never really thought they would really integrate the 90's show. I am cool with it generally...though those photos really make the 90's costume look like it is from the 90's (i.e. the padding)
Oh..and like everyone else, I love Jessica Parker Kennedy in her role. There were a couple scenes last episode where she really looked like Iris. And of course the personality totally fits in with the vibe (pun intended) of The Flash show. And Joe seems to have gotten quickly into grandpa mode (and Nora loving it)
...the casting staff have done a great job picking the right people all these years..
Going into this episode I'm worried about Cisco, and if Valdes is being written out of the series. It adds a little danger to Team Flash, but Cisco is a great character and to lose him would be really sad. I hope it's just misdirection but the fact that the episode is called Death of Vibe and we got that trailer, it's making me a bit antsy.
Well, then. The death of Vibe indeed, just not the death of Cisco Ramon. I guess Vibe is retired until they catch Cicada. It's a good thing I noticed XS's absence after the explosion, and was able to deduce from there that she'd spirited Cisco away under cover of the blast.
Speaking of deduction, I'm not crazy about "Sherloque" Wells yet. He seems a bit too much like HR redux, a comedic Wells with a bit of the con artist about him. I wish they'd kept Harry. Plus it's kind of inconsiderate to Ralph to bring in another detective without even asking him if he'd be okay with it.
By the way, the identity of the "other" Cicadas, David Hersch, is his identity in the comics. Interesting that they acknowledge that but then go in their own different direction.
Speaking of deduction, I'm not crazy about "Sherloque" Wells yet. He seems a bit too much like HR redux, a comedic Wells with a bit of the con artist about him. I wish they'd kept Harry. Plus it's kind of inconsiderate to Ralph to bring in another detective without even asking him if he'd be okay with it.
By the way, the identity of the "other" Cicadas, David Hersch, is his identity in the comics. Interesting that they acknowledge that but then go in their own different direction.
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I've noticed he looks gaunt.
Maybe he has to look tired because he's caring for a baby.
He tells Iris that he thinks Cicada might be a father and then it cuts to the hospital, we never saw him get up. At one point on the couch he looked hunched over and struggling
Could be a character choice, there is a newborn baby in the house.
I thought of that, but if that were the case, they wouldn't have set up the shots the way they did. Like last week, there was a shot of Joe seated when Cecille called to him from upstairs. He leaned forward, but before he could actually stand, the camera cut away to Cecille with the baby, and then we cut to Joe already leaning against the doorframe from outside the room. Later, when Joe said he'd go to check on the baby, we saw Martin lean forward in his seat, then cut to a shot of Cecille for several moments, then cut to a shot where we saw the back of "Joe" from the shoulders down as he climbed the stairs, which suggests they substituted a stand-in. So the character is still supposed to be mobile in-story, but they're avoiding any shots where Jesse L. Martin needs to move around. That's concerning.
Given the established multiverse, there is no reason that 1990 Flash's world can't be part of the Arrowverse, and ever since we got that glimpse of it in Flash Season 1, I've been hoping for a legit crossover. If they are doing that, it would be amazing.
In theory, all past DC shows could have their own Earth in this multiverse.
Lots of good stuff in this episode:
- We see the Flash museum!
- We learn that Supergirl, the Legends, the League and even Green Arrow try to stop Cicada in the future, but fail. I know this was done to make the villain more powerful by name dropping that all these powerful heroes were unable to stop him. It raises the stakes for our heroes. But I am not sure I am really buying it. Supergirl is not a meta so Cicada's anti-meta dampening dagger should not work on her. But let's say that it does dampen her powers too, it would still be useless on the Green Arrow since he is not a meta at all. Surely, the Green Arrow could snipe Cicada with a special arrow from a distance, no? Plus, isn't it better to show us how powerful the villain is rather than just tell us that he is unbeatable?
- We learn that Cicada is a father and has a very sick daughter who is dying. Presumably, he is killing metas as payback for what is happening to his daughter.
- We meet another Wells. The thick french-canadian accent is a bit grating. I love his nickname for Ralph, "Baby Giraffe".
- We get more mystery surrounding Caitlyn's father. I thought the scene where she figured out the hidden message was well done. I really like that Cailtyn is getting more to do this season.
- We get a nice mystery at the end with Sherloque figuring out that there is more than meets the eye with Nora. Last season, it seemed like Nora was two different personalities. Some scenes, she looked serious and calculating, other scenes she looked happy and klutzy. I wonder if there are 2 Noras, who are twins and they both time traveled back to meet Barry and Iris. One twin is happy-go-lucky and klutzy while the other is more serious and scheming. Maybe it was her twin that suggested that she punch the satellite?
- We see the Flash museum!
- We learn that Supergirl, the Legends, the League and even Green Arrow try to stop Cicada in the future, but fail. I know this was done to make the villain more powerful by name dropping that all these powerful heroes were unable to stop him. It raises the stakes for our heroes. But I am not sure I am really buying it. Supergirl is not a meta so Cicada's anti-meta dampening dagger should not work on her. But let's say that it does dampen her powers too, it would still be useless on the Green Arrow since he is not a meta at all. Surely, the Green Arrow could snipe Cicada with a special arrow from a distance, no? Plus, isn't it better to show us how powerful the villain is rather than just tell us that he is unbeatable?
- We learn that Cicada is a father and has a very sick daughter who is dying. Presumably, he is killing metas as payback for what is happening to his daughter.
- We meet another Wells. The thick french-canadian accent is a bit grating. I love his nickname for Ralph, "Baby Giraffe".
- We get more mystery surrounding Caitlyn's father. I thought the scene where she figured out the hidden message was well done. I really like that Cailtyn is getting more to do this season.
- We get a nice mystery at the end with Sherloque figuring out that there is more than meets the eye with Nora. Last season, it seemed like Nora was two different personalities. Some scenes, she looked serious and calculating, other scenes she looked happy and klutzy. I wonder if there are 2 Noras, who are twins and they both time traveled back to meet Barry and Iris. One twin is happy-go-lucky and klutzy while the other is more serious and scheming. Maybe it was her twin that suggested that she punch the satellite?
Yeah, that was cool. Although I was torn between "Aww, I love it, STAR Labs becomes the Flash Museum!" and "Ahh, they just redressed the Speed Lab set to save money."
We don't know how the dagger works yet. And it's not just a question of defeating him in a fight, it's a question of finding him in the first place, identifying him, and that's something everyone failed to do. Maybe that's what she meant.
Anyway, she basically spoiled that Oliver will get out of prison and become the Green Arrow again -- or at least that someone will take over that mantle on a continuing basis.
That's overthinking it. Obviously Nora would've been wrestling with conflicting feelings -- on the one hand, giddy to meet her childhood heroes, but on the other hand, saddened by the reminder of what was going to happen to her father. Also, the moment where her mood was darkest (at the point where we discovered she was a speedster) was just after she slipped away to avoid meeting Iris. That's consistent with her tension toward Iris now. And IIRC, her other "dark" moment was after meeting Harry and Caitlin, so maybe she was sad because she knew what was about to happen to Killer Frost.
I don't think that's a spoiler that really surprises anyone.
Overthinking things is what fans do.
Just trying to speculate what Sherloque was talking about. I don't buy the theory that she is not Barry and Iris' daughter. The DNA test proved that she is (although maybe she could have fooled the test somehow). Maybe she is Barry and Iris' daughter but a different daughter? I did hear the theory that maybe Eobard Thawne is the one that tempted her to time travel back and punch the satellite knowing she could not resist meeting and saving her dad but that it would screw up the timeline. Overthinking things again...
