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Spoilers The Flash - Season 4

I do think Marlise will turn against DeVoe. She was a bit uneasy before with DeVoe taking on a new body (Dominic) and she is starting to have doubts about the plan to the point of playing music in her head to try to hide the doubts from DeVoe. She also objected to killing the warden. But I think that act of putting a roofie in her drink will be the last straw. She is going to see that she is a prisoner, not DeVoe's wife anymore. Plus, DeVoe is no longer the man she married, physically or psychologically. I suspect that Marlise was an idealist in the beginning who believed in this Enlightenment concept and truly loved her husband and wanted to help him. But she was not ready for what implementing the plan would really be like. Plus, I suspect that DeVoe has gone completely off script.

Why did DeVoe not zap Barry Allen with his arm-to-brain thing and steal his powers? He could have neutralized the Flash and stolen his speedster powers. That seemed like a huge plot hole unless the writers reveal why The Thinker wants to keep The Flash alive.

My guess is that the The Thinker only wants those specific meta powers because they synergize to help him accomplish his grand plan. But I also get the impression that The Thinker has become drunk with power and his own sense of self-importance.
And that in the end is going to be what trips DeVoe up and brings him down. It'll be a combination of his own arrogance plus Marlise turning on him.
 
And that in the end is going to be what trips DeVoe up and brings him down. It'll be a combination of his own arrogance plus Marlise turning on him.

Considering that Marlise is the one who designed and maintains his special chair, she could easily sabotage it.
 
No, I don't think so. But I think a kiss would have been very problematic coming after roofing her drink because it would have been nonconsensual. And let me be clear, showing any nonconsensual kiss (gay or straight) would be a problem. The issue would have been the nonconsensual part, not the gay part. Plus, the dance was a much more creepy way of conveying the same idea.
I think Guy was deadpan joking (as he will do). Hard to see how the DCCW shows could be accused of homophobia; they are, in fact, exceedingly large with the gay. :lol: The only criticism I can see that might be applied is that they have sometimes seemed nervous about showing physical intimacy between male characters (Curtis and his husband on Arrow always seemed to address each other from opposite sides of the room), but the producers/network/whoever appear to have gotten over that judging by this season's crossover.
 
My guess is that the The Thinker only wants those specific meta powers because they synergize to help him accomplish his grand plan.

Or there's something about the nature of that specific dark matter wave that's different from the original blast, which is why he didn't take any other meta prisoners from Iron Heights. After all, the original wave was generated by the STAR Labs accelerator, while this one was right out of the Speed Force continuum. So maybe it's more "pure" or powerful or something.
 
No, I don't think so. But I think a kiss would have been very problematic coming after roofing her drink because it would have been nonconsensual. And let me be clear, showing any nonconsensual kiss (gay or straight) would be a problem. The issue would have been the nonconsensual part, not the gay part. Plus, the dance was a much more creepy way of conveying the same idea.
But a minute after that song finished... They were banging.

It's turning into a rape story, which means that Marlize is going turn on hir and save the day in the final act, after team Flash has given up all hope.

1. Marlize is left doped up for the rest of the season, as an intimacy cheer leader (and sex slave), until she isn't, and then she electrocutes her husband to death, without effecting the original host.

2. Marlize is doped for one night, because DeVoe just needed to get her over that first hurdle of embracing lesbian sex, because he knew that she would be into it, because he knows best and no one else matters (because he is an asshole), so the wife turns on him then and there, tries to kill the Thinker, fails, and then spends the rest of the season in a cage, until she escapes and kills her husband (but not the host).

Although... It might have been about loyalty, not sex, since she was trying to disloyally hide her thoughts from the Thinker, which may be unforgivable to a person that wants to know everything... Did they boff when DeVoe was the hot young black guy?

They are old.

Even if he hadn't been in a wheel chair, maybe these two people in their late 40s were just bored by sex and stopped trying to ring each other's bells earlier than most?
 
I think Guy was deadpan joking (as he will do). Hard to see how the DCCW shows could be accused of homophobia; they are, in fact, exceedingly large with the gay. :lol: The only criticism I can see that might be applied is that they have sometimes seemed nervous about showing physical intimacy between male characters (Curtis and his husband on Arrow always seemed to address each other from opposite sides of the room), but the producers/network/whoever appear to have gotten over that judging by this season's crossover.
I do get worried, when it comes time for a big sloppy gay kiss and the camera pulls away or turns to black, leaving the following hours of loud gay monkey sex to my imagination, that some one is rolling back the clock on how these shows are censored, and yes they shy away from the boys more than the girls for some reason. How weird.

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Although this wasn't about "gay" this was about (mouth)rape... Even if they didn't do anything sexual, it's still about control, which is slavery, and close to the same thing.... BUT this is the bad guy, who is supposed to do bad things, and we are supposed to hate him for doing bad things... So it was a disservice tot he audience not to show the evil villain being villainously evil.

UM...

Is Ralph Immortal?

If the thinker actually did plan which powers that these people were going to get, and he wanted all of those powers for good reasons, then immortality may just be the most important powerset for someone so giggity afraid of death.
 
In retrospect, Ralph wasn't even necessary. They have a holoprojector to change facial appearances, and a voice modulator seems like an easy one for Cisco and Wells (given all the insane tech they create on a daily basis).

Yeah, they already have all of that tech; letting Ralph mess it up when they could have sent literally any of them makes no sense...
 
Although it's going to be tricky to keep that promise of continuing to work with the police as DeVoe, especially with Marlize not being willing to cooperate on an ongoing basis.

Wasn't DeVoe already dying with doctors giving him a few months to live?
They can just say he suddenly died from natural causes. :whistle:

Nah! We'll take your word for it. If you say you're Devoe, then you're Devoe, and you're alive! By golly, I don't even care whose body you buried or cremated. Forget any DNA tests. Release Mr. Allen! :lol:

Well the release was equally silly as the conviction...
At least it is consistent with the trial proceedings as depicted previously on this show. ;)
 
I haven't been posting much here but I am still watching Flash and Arrow. Flash has been decent but it does feel like there has been a drop off from the midseason finale to now. I thought the prison storyline was kinda boring and the stuff with Ralph feels repetitive. I did like this last week's episode but is Dominic dead? Now that Devoe is Becky what happened to the previous host. Also this is setting up for Marlize to join the good guys soon enough.
 
I did like this last week's episode but is Dominic dead? Now that Devoe is Becky what happened to the previous host.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure all the metas whose powers the chair drained, including Dominic, are dead now, since they all knew Barry was the Flash, and that's pretty much a death sentence for villains in a superhero show.
 
So I just now learned who the actor who plays Hazard (now DeVoe)

God damn I knew she looked familiar but couldn't place it. She used to be a host on the Canadian childrens' TV channel 'YTV', I saw her all the time as a kid.

She also voiced Serenity/Rini in one of the dubs of Sailor Moon, what ever aired in the early 2000s in Canada.
 
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Given what fans the producers clearly are of the 1990 series, and given how many of its cast members they've brought back as their original roles' doppelgangers, I'm convinced that they would've already done an explicit crossover if they could. I think there must be some legal reason why they can't go all the way, perhaps because of all the parties with a stake in the show -- not just Warner Bros. and DC, but also CBS and Pet Fly Productions.
Or maybe simply a creative reason? Why confuse the of the SAME types of FLash...whereas the Barry Allen Red Suit Flash has had a long standing relationship with a DIFFERENT kind of Flash - Jay Garrick.

Just like we will never see Supergirl's Superman and Henry Cavill in the same show.

No Kiss?


Is his show homomophobic?
Considering this is part of the Berlanti-verse, no, this show is not sexualist.

And that in the end is going to be what trips DeVoe up and brings him down. It'll be a combination of his own arrogance plus Marlise turning on him.

I definitely agree with this...wonder if we will see Reverse Flash, as he stated he was a fan of Devoe's
 
OK, is it just me, or does this show start to suck in a hurry once Tom Cavanagh's not around? I mean, sure, okay, this episode was watchable, but with thirteen episodes down, this season is building to... what, again? DeVoe unleashing his big plan, and Marlize double-crossing him because he's Gone Too Far?! Holy Coulson, it better not be that, because that sounds boring as f***.

A judge orders Barry freed without even touching, let alone fingerprinting or blood-sampling DeVoe, to make sure he's real, when Cecile herself points out how much impossible crap happens all the time in the city? Uggggghhhhh.

Hey, remember when Cisco showed an interest in girls? And asked out a barista who conveniently happened to be set-up for the lamest aspect of an upcoming show? And had a family, and some semblance of a life outside the team? And, remember when Caitlin/Frost was heading off to find herself somewhere in the middle? Nope, never mind, she's just Caitlin, and Frost is just peachy with being assigned pep talk duty. Christ. Speaking of these pep talks - ENOUGH ALREADY.
https://www.avclub.com/barrys-prison-sentence-comes-to-an-end-in-a-muddled-epi-1822759016

This is terrifyingly plausible.
Y'know, I gave up on Arrow halfway through S4 (and hoo boy, did I not quit a moment too soon), without ever looking back, and I'm starting to think I might be getting there with Flash, too. At least Legends of Tomorrow doesn't suck, and is actually awesome - though I do worry what Blandy McKidFlash will do to our beloved misfits, besides sideline Ray and Nate even more...

*sigh*
 
Devoe and his power stealing schtick makes me miss Sylar..... and remind me once again how miscast he was as Spock, but what an excellent mitchell he would have made.
 
Danny Bilson revealed yesterday that his long time creative partner Paul DeMeo has died. They produced the 1990 version of "The Flash" together. Mark Hamill this morning thanked the two of them for being the first to think outside the box and cast him as a supervillian. He played the Trickster a couple before voicing the Joker.

Bilson and DeMeo also wrote the script for the Rocketeer and the first Trancers movie. They had no involvement on the sequels and the quality suffered for it.

No cause of death has been revealed yet. I wonder if it was health issues? Early on there was talk of the two of them writing an episode of this current series. But nothing came of it. Maybe Paul's health prevented it.

RIP Paul DeMeo. You helped create some of the happiest memories of my childhood.
 
Sad news. Bilson & DeMeo also produced a short-lived adaptation of DC's Human Target shortly after The Flash. It starred Rick Springfield and it ran for only 7 episodes, but it was much truer to the comics, and in my opinion much better, than the later Mark Valley series that used the title and lead character name but nothing else. They also produced the NBC season of the car-based action show Viper, but had nothing to do with its syndicated revival.
 
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