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Spoilers The Flash - Season 2

The Hourman we met in "Legendary" was specifically sent back in time by Mick Rory, so unless he (Mick) somehow ends up stranded on Earth-2, the JSA that was mentioned isn't likely going to have anything to do with the real Jay Garrick.
 
I should've added that the implication in what Rex Tyler says is that Mick Rory is involved with the JSA as well as himself, which is why he (Mick) sent him (Rex) back in time, so the JSA would not be an Earth-2 thing unless Mick somehow ended up on Earth-2 and sent Rex back in time and across the dimensional divide.
 
^I didn't get that impression at all. Just that the new character had somehow gotten entangled in the affairs of the other characters at some point in the future.
 
Is Chronos "immortal" without constant supervision on his health by the Time Masters suspending his natural ageing proccess?
 
Mick said that the Time Masters had been training him to be Chronos (a comprehensive first class education) for many life times.

They took me to a place called the Vanishing Point. Time doesn't exist there the way it does on Earth. I've spent lifetimes being restored by them, training by them, fighting by them... being reborn.

And, uh, when exactly did your new friends give you the, uh, lobotomy?

You think I was hunting you and your friends because the Time Masters made me? They barely had to ask.

Answered my own question.

No one ages at vanishing point.

Mick Rory ages normally, unless something extra was done to him that we do not know about, when he is rutting it in regular time/space, like the rest of us.
 
I have no doubt that a timeship like the Waverider is capable of traveling between parallel worlds. After all, we've seen repeatedly that Gideon is able to predict alternate futures. Why shouldn't she be able to access alternate presents and pasts as well?
 
I said after last season's finale after Barry willingly risked the safety of the world because he misses his mommy that Barry Allen is the true villain of The Flash. The Season 2 finale only reinforced that to me. He was told last season that using the particle accelerator could open up a rift that could destroy anything and he still went ahead with his plan. We again see him risk the entire multiverse (and it was original though his Earth as well) to engage in a stupid race with Zoom. I was glad to see his enablers finally stand up to him, even though it didn't last long.

While I look forward to seeing Flashpoint in a shared TV universe, I was hoping Barry's problems wouldn't be self-inflicted again. He was directly responsible for everything that happened this season because of his stupid decision to go back in time last year and stupidity like giving Zoom his powers this year. By engaging in such actions, Barry continues to show a horrifying disregard for human life. Risk the fate of the entire world? Acceptable to Barry because he misses his mommy.

Barry Allen is no hero. He's an emotionally unhealthy and self-entitled man-child whose use of his powers threatens the entire world and beyond. He should be the next villain the Legends have to deal with because he simply refuses to stop meddling with time and his self-absorbed problem threaten the entire world.
 
Yeah, but what are the odds that two consecutive generations of Henry Allens would both marry different women named Nora?

The same odds as 2 major DC superheroes having moms with the same name.

It wasn't. The Supergirl Pilot and "Worlds Finest" made that clear.... as did the entire way that The Flash Season 1 played itself out and Central City's reaction to his presence and the presence of Metahumans.

Superman existed PUBLICLY on "Earth-S" for nearly 3 decades before Kara revealed herself, and yet Metahumans were a "brand-new thing" when the Particle Accelerator exploded, and there was no organically convenient way to reconcile that inescapable fact.

The only way that SG could've existed on Earth-1 is if the series had been developed without the inclusion of Superman and with Kara being "brand-new" to Earth, neither of which are things that Berlanti wanted to do.

i am being a little bit of a jerk here...but i like to call it Earth -SG...since it's really Supergirl's world..Earth - S has, in the comics been Earth-Shazam

Right. Or Barry could find a way to repeat what he did to get to Supergirl's world. Or Supergirl could find a way to do it with her own superspeed. Or STAR Labs could invent a device, or the DEO could find alien tech that would do it, or the breach Barry opened could turn out to be permanent, or the Waverider could turn out to have a multidimensional drive, or the Phantom Stranger could show up and give people a lift between realities. There are countless ways to let the characters cross universes.




Yup. I don't get this desire to reduce the number of Earths. We now have four distinct Earths that we know of, and we know there are infinitely more out there, so why not embrace that? Remember: Destroying all the alternate Earths but one was what the villain wanted to do. So is it really a cause we want to get behind? ;)

Can you point to ANY quote where ANY of us was asking for ALL universes to be merged? Just TWO, that are otherwise pretty similar....and had they been on the same network to start, probably would have been together. (Check in on this statement in about 7-8 months)

What reduction?
Infinity - 1 = Infinity :nyah:
Got it , Christopher? We're not wanting the Crisis just yet...

I still think any timeline change is going to be undone by the end of the opening 2-parter, or within a few episodes at most, since there's no way Arrow or Legends is going to alter its timeline in response to something on a different show. (Legends is certainly open to changing the timeline, but it would have to be as a result of events within its own storyline.)

Why SHOULD the other shows' seasons be undone?

We know that Flashpoint will be resolved, and will re-set most things...i think THEIR storylines should be fine. No reason to "un-do" them...but the December megaevent MIGHT tweak something minor.
 
We don't know how Alternate Universes are created.

It could be a proccess that has nothing to do with time (travel).

Maybe it's continuous splintering from decision trees, or maybe an infinite or finite number of Universes were all created in/during the big bang, and all, to most, Universes have been imperceptibly distinct from one another for billions of years?
 
Christopher, I remembered the 1990 series had an episode which gave Barry Allen a different middle name than in the comics. in the episode "Goodnight, Central City". There was a subplot about him being invested by Internal Affairs. IT was false charges. Part of it stemmed from someone else having a similar name. So he got blamed due to a screwup in paper work.

My memories are vague. But Google search confirmed on that show his name was Barry P. Allen. HIs middle middle name was Patrick. While there was another Barry P. Allen who he got confused with.

Stuff like that happens. My father's first name was Richard. So was his first cousin. They had the same first and last name. So when the cousin died and it was in the paper many people thought it was my Dad. He was one of the top Black Belts in Judo in the state of Wisconsin. So at a tournament they had a moment of silence for him! My mom got condolence calls she had to politely explain he was still alive! LOL
 
Can you point to ANY quote where ANY of us was asking for ALL universes to be merged? Just TWO, that are otherwise pretty similar....and had they been on the same network to start, probably would have been together. (Check in on this statement in about 7-8 months)


Got it , Christopher? We're not wanting the Crisis just yet...

That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm talking about these universes as fictional constructs and material for telling stories, not as larger abstract ideas. I'm saying that, if the writers want to explore stories about the multiverse, it's logical and efficient to keep using the established alternative worlds they already have, to take what's already been written and build on it further. It would be inefficient for the writers to eliminate alternate-world possibilities that have already been seeded in earlier stories and then have to invent whole new alternate worlds later. They'd be working against themselves, making what's already a hard job even harder for no reason. Speaking as a writer, I would find it more sensible, more creatively economical, to expand on the story possibilities that have already been established.

In other words: The multiverse is part of the narrative now, it's logical to expand on it, and by lucky happenstance, Supergirl's move to The CW doubles the number of alternate Earths that are already in play. So that saves work. They can just take advantage of that windfall and build on it for future multiverse-related plots, rather than arbitrarily erasing the difference (which would itself require a monumental amount of work) and then having to invent some other alternate Earth out of the blue later. That would be a foolishly wasteful way to manage their resources.


Why SHOULD the other shows' seasons be undone?

We know that Flashpoint will be resolved, and will re-set most things...i think THEIR storylines should be fine. No reason to "un-do" them...but the December megaevent MIGHT tweak something minor.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Some people out there seem to be assuming that what happened in The Flash will permanently rewrite the timeline for the other shows too (forgetting that they made the same prediction last season and it didn't happen then), and I'm agreeing with you that that's an erroneous assumption, that whatever alternate timeline we see will be limited to The Flash and will be corrected before the next crossover.
 
Can you point to ANY quote where ANY of us was asking for ALL universes to be merged? Just TWO, that are otherwise pretty similar....and had they been on the same network to start, probably would have been together.

The bolded is just patently and provably false. As I already outlined, the way that Greg Berlanti and Ali Adler developed the series made it fundamentally impossible for it to organically exist in the same reality as Arrow and The Flash, so what network it initially ended up on would have not changed one single thing about it being set on its own Earth relative to its brethren series.

As Berlanti himself has publicly outlined, Supergirl was developed specifically to include Superman as having already existed by the time that Kara emerges to become a hero herself (he did not want to do a series where she was the first/only Kryptonian in existence on Earth), which is completely at odds with the way that Arrow and The Flash had set up and handled the existence/emergence of superpowers and would not have changed even if The CW had initially picked up the series.
 
I said after last season's finale after Barry willingly risked the safety of the world because he misses his mommy that Barry Allen is the true villain of The Flash. The Season 2 finale only reinforced that to me. He was told last season that using the particle accelerator could open up a rift that could destroy anything and he still went ahead with his plan. We again see him risk the entire multiverse (and it was original though his Earth as well) to engage in a stupid race with Zoom. I was glad to see his enablers finally stand up to him, even though it didn't last long.

While I look forward to seeing Flashpoint in a shared TV universe, I was hoping Barry's problems wouldn't be self-inflicted again. He was directly responsible for everything that happened this season because of his stupid decision to go back in time last year and stupidity like giving Zoom his powers this year. By engaging in such actions, Barry continues to show a horrifying disregard for human life. Risk the fate of the entire world? Acceptable to Barry because he misses his mommy.

Barry Allen is no hero. He's an emotionally unhealthy and self-entitled man-child whose use of his powers threatens the entire world and beyond. He should be the next villain the Legends have to deal with because he simply refuses to stop meddling with time and his self-absorbed problem threaten the entire world.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel? ;) :p

I agree. A lot of his actions were selfish. The episode about the Speed Force only reinforced the fact that he hasn't gotten over his mother's death. I was surprised he even got out of that realm not having completely resolved his issues. Again, those feelings resurfaced in the finale.
 
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