Spoilers The Flash - Season 2
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That is what I have been thinking as well. Its an advantage that the 90s show did not use that many comic book characters. So there are few characters that have to be explained why their dopplegangers look so different. The biggest issue would be a Caucasian Iris West but she only appears in the Pilot. Maybe it's just a coincidence and there is no relation to Joe's family.
Also a different Henry and Nora Allen and a different Leonard Snart. And presumably a different Mirror Master, once the current show gets around to him.
By the way, another reason to cut from "mask on" to "mask off" shots is for characters that have dark or black makeup around their eyes under their cowls or domino masks, but with the makeup magically disappearing the moment they remove their masks -- a trend that started with Michael Keaton's Batman, and is done pretty regularly on Arrow these days, I think.
The producers of Supergirl began discussing and working on the development of storylines for Season 2 several weeks before it was announced that the series would be moving from CBS to The CW.
Therefore, they would be throwing everything they've already mapped out down the toilet by 'folding' "Earth-S" into the Arrowverse proper, and for no other reason than because fans don't like the idea of there being a Multiversal separation between SG and the other Arrowverse shows.
Therefore, they would be throwing everything they've already mapped out down the toilet by 'folding' "Earth-S" into the Arrowverse proper, and for no other reason than because fans don't like the idea of there being a Multiversal separation between SG and the other Arrowverse shows.
Well Henry and Nora could be what Henry/Jay's parents look on every Earth. Not hard to imagine his actual name being Henry Allen Junior.
Also it makes sense that Jay is the name of someone in family. On "Earth 90" the couple had a different first born son who they named Jay. But on "Earth 3" they gave that name to Henry's doppleganger. Interestingly that show used the name Garrick at least one time. Garrick Galley, an art gallery. Maybe a street name too. Perhaps named for ancestors of Barry's mother.
Also it makes sense that Jay is the name of someone in family. On "Earth 90" the couple had a different first born son who they named Jay. But on "Earth 3" they gave that name to Henry's doppleganger. Interestingly that show used the name Garrick at least one time. Garrick Galley, an art gallery. Maybe a street name too. Perhaps named for ancestors of Barry's mother.
It would have been nice to have a Marvel-style shared universe but I'm fine with alternate Earths. It does solve the lack of Superman problem on Arrow and it allows Supergirl to deal with something big like an alien invasion without impacting Arrow which is supposed to be more street level.
It could still happen but I find it less likely now because of last night's revelation as well as other stuff pointed out in posts above. I hope that the producers come out with a definitive answer so that we don't keep our hopes up. They should say that we'll never see 90s Flash or they could say "who knows
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Yup. It's the same reason the Flash's time travel here won't permanently alter the timeline that other shows share, and the same reason Rip Hunter couldn't help Sara undo Laurel's death. Despite the interconnections, these are four different shows with different production teams and different (if overlapping) audiences, so each show has to serve its own storylines and characters first, with connections to the other shows being a secondary consideration. So none of these shows is likely to have its own fundamental character and continuity changed to serve the others.
Also, Supergirl, Superman, and Martian Manhunter are so powerful that if they did live on Earth-1, we'd get even more complaints from the fans about why the other heroes didn't just call them for help with any major problem. Of course, the fans will complain no matter what, but I'm happy to minimize that particular complaint. Let the nigh-godlike aliens remain on Earth-SG (Earth-4, maybe?) while the more modestly powered heroes on Earth-1 operate on their own level.
As I've pointed out before, Barry Allen's full name is Bartholomew Henry Allen. It's possible that '90 Barry just chose to go by his first name while Earth-1 Henry chose to go by his middle name, and Earth-1 Barry is Bartholomew Allen, Junior.
Yeah, but what are the odds that two consecutive generations of Henry Allens would both marry different women named Nora?
We've already got a "Marvel-style shared universe" (with Arrow, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Vixen, and NBC's Constantine all taking place on the same Earth [Earth-1]), as well as five known worlds connected to said "Arrowverse" proper via the Multiverse (Earth-2, Earth-3, "Earth-S" [Supergirl's universe], and the 90s Flash universe)
^ In some ways though, it would have been nice to have at least the main Justice League members together on one Earth but this is alright too.
In the comics, the Earth-1 Justice League and Earth-2 Justice Society got together at least once a year for a good quarter-century before the universes were merged. We've just had a whole season of The Flash where the entire storyline was shaped by characters who weren't native to Earth-1. So you don't need to combine the universes to have the characters interact.
I wonder where Batman is. He's close with Superman, but Earth-1 has a Wayne Enterprises.
It's interesting that the Supergirl ad the CW is showing features Black Canary. Obviously it's built on the scene where Barry lists superheroes Kara never heard of before. But they add footage of all the characters. Including old footage of Laurel. It's surprising they are featuring a dead character in ads who is not part of the CW's future. Not saying it means anything. But they could have edited her out for just this commercial if they wanted.
Maybe Batman operates secretly on both Earths? In some versions, including the Birds of Prey TV series, Batman was never more than an urban legend to the public.
Anyway, whatever digital screwup happened with my CW affiliate last night was so severe that, when I tried watching my recording of the episode to see if it had somehow captured the whole thing even though I couldn't watch it live, it actually froze up my cable box completely once I reached that point, and I had to unplug it and plug it in again. And it looks like the CW affiliate is still off the air as of this afternoon. If this keeps up, I may have to watch the Arrow finale on the CW site tomorrow morning.
Exactly.
Speaking of the JSA, I don't see E3's Jay Garrick being involved in its creation unless future!Mick Rory plucked Rex Tyler from another universe and sent him back in time.
Regarding Batman, the existence of Wayne Enterprises on Earth-1 doesn't automatically necessitate the existence of Batman... merely the existence of the Wayne family in general, but it's my theory that the "city of masks" Kara offhandedly referenced in Truth, Justice, and the American Way was a reference to Gotham (which would mean that Batman and at least ONE, if not more, of his masked allies exists on "Earth-S", even if their existence isn't widely known).
What makes you think that?
Season 1 of Supergirl could have easily been happening on Earth-1, why do you think whatever happens in Season 2 would be so incompatible with Earth-1?
Supergirl mentioned that "masks were big in that other city" implying Gotham and Batfamily might exist on Earth-SG.
I like that take. I've been fascinated by a Batman that's like the Mothman from The Mothman Prophecies.
Forgot about that.
If I had to choose, I'd think he'd be on Earth-S as well. He fits with Superman and Ollie has Earth-1 covered.
Now how would a Justice League work with multiple Batmans?
It wasn't. The Supergirl Pilot and "Worlds Finest" made that clear.... as did the entire way that The Flash Season 1 played itself out and Central City's reaction to his presence and the presence of Metahumans.
You mean Grant Morrison hasn't already done that story?
I tried going to my cable company's website chat service to notify them about the CW affiliate's outage, but it apparently went to a call center (chat center?) in India. Presumably the problem has been reported to the relevant parties and will be addressed ASAP, but we'll see..
But that's just a matter of references, or lack thereof.
Nothing in the narrative flow of the season prevented it from being included had they chosen to go that route.