• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Spoilers The Flash - Season 2

Superman existed PUBLICLY on "Earth-S" for nearly 3 decades before Kara revealed herself, and yet Metahumans were a "brand-new thing" when the Particle Accelerator exploded, and there was no organically convenient way to reconcile that inescapable fact.

The only way that SG could've existed on Earth-1 is if the series had been developed without the inclusion of Superman and with Kara being "brand-new" to Earth, neither of which are things that Berlanti wanted to do.
 
DigificWriter said:
Superman existed PUBLICLY on "Earth-S" for nearly 3 decades before Kara revealed herself, and yet Metahumans were a "brand-new thing" when the Particle Accelerator exploded, and there was no organically convenient way to reconcile that inescapable fact.
Click to expand...

Also, Earth-S has been aware of aliens for over a dozen years, whereas on Legends of Tomorrow last week, the team members seemed pretty shocked to discover that aliens (the Thanagarians) existed.


Commander Richard said:
What did he do?
Click to expand...

It was a joke. "A Justice League of multiple Batmans" just sounds like the kind of story Grant Morrison would do. He did an All-Star Superman issue with various Supermen from different eras teaming up, and he did Batman Incorporated, which was basically a team consisting of various international Batman-like heroes drawn largely from the loony Silver Age of comics.
 
I misspoke earlier when I said that Superman has been known publicly for nearly 3 decades. I was accounting for the character's age rather than the years he'd been Superman.

However, Christopher is correct in pointing out that the existence of aliens is a new thing for Earth-1 when it decidedly isn't for Earth-S.
 
Christopher said:
"A Justice League of multiple Batmans" just sounds like the kind of story Grant Morrison would do.
Click to expand...
It does. Got it.

It looks like the Arrowverse might go for a Justice League that has members across different Earths instead of one, and if there were several versions of one Batman, what do they do? Just a thought. If there was just one Batman somewhere though, problem solved.
 
DigificWriter said:
However, Christopher is correct in pointing out that the existence of aliens is a new thing for Earth-1 when it decidedly isn't for Warth-S.
Click to expand...

Again, that's just references.

You were arguing they can't transplant the preplanned plot of S2 of Supergirl into a potential merged universe, but there's nothing preventing that.
 
dodge said:
Again, that's just references.

You were arguing they can't transplant the preplanned plot of S2 of Supergirl into a potential merged universe, but there's nothing preventing that.
Click to expand...
There's nothing preventing it, but I've yet to see anyone provide a compelling reason to do it. "I want it to be in the same universe" (I have seen a few statements like that) is not all that persuasive. Why should they merge?
 
Supergirl Season 2 is being developed based on what was done in Season 1, which was developed specifically on the basis of the series taking place in a universe whose history is dramatically different than that of the Arrowverse. To suddenly take what they've already done and pretend like the history they've established can be reconciled with the history of the Arrowverse (which it can't) just isn't possible, so they would have to essentially "start from scratch" with the SG characters and abandon everything they've been working on.
 
Ovation said:
Why should they merge?
Click to expand...

Personally, I don't care either way because I don't think it will have much of an effect on storytelling either way.
The only thing that would change is the occasional reference, and how they go visit each other during crossovers.

I'm just pointing out that the universes aren't as "dramatically different" as some people here make them out to be.
 
dodge said:
the universes aren't as "dramatically different" as some people here make them out to be.
Click to expand...

This is a blatantly false statement.

In Supergirl's universe, Superman has been known publicly and operating publicly since at least the early 2000s, long before the Particle Accelerator explosion and long before Oliver Queen was lost on Lian Yu.

Because both The Flash and Arrow establish that superpowers are "new" circa 2013, there is absolutely no way to organically reconcile Superman's existence as a publicly known superhero without discarding or dramatically altering a combined 9 seasons' worth of history (counting Vixen, Legends of Tomorrow, and Constantine Seasons 1 alongside Arrow Seasons 1-4 and The Flash Seasons 1-2).
 
Why are we even having this debate? Supergirl: "Worlds Finest" established unequivocally that the universes are separate and distinct. That should've ended the argument. But instead we're still getting rehashes of the same circular arguments people have been having online since the first Supergirl trailer hit.
 
I don't have any new ideas to add to the discussion. I'll just say I enjoyed it.
Questions aplenty after that dual parental save back in the past...so the future should, in theory be all different. Barry should never have gone to live with the Wests. How does this impact the inclusion of Wally and the events with his mom? Wells never dies at the hands of Thawne? I suppose the partical accelerator incident could still happen but would it happen on the same timeframe? Could Wells now have an Earth-1 Jesse? Was that mention of Earth-3, by Henry/Jay Garrick the first mention of Earth-3 by name?

Never mind how this should in theory affect Arrow & LoT. The flip side is it allows for an explanation to merge "Earth-S" into the CW-verse of shows somehow/someway.

September is going to be a long time coming.
 
DigificWriter said:
In Supergirl's universe
Click to expand...

Yes, I know it's a different universe with some differences, the whole point of the merger some people propose is to acknowledge those differences, and then move on in a shared universe... but anyways, you keep missing the point of what I'm saying, and I don't really have a dog in this fight, it's much more likely they'll keep the universes separate, so you win I guess?
 
I'm not missing your point; I'm rejecting it out of hand because merging the universes cannot be done without abandoning them as they are.
 
With Cisco able to easily open portals between the worlds there's really no need to merge the universes. If someone needs or wants to go a different Earth all they have to do is go to Central City and ask Cisco to open a portal for them.
EDIT: Funko is doing a Zoom Pop!, to go along with ones already released of The Flash, Reverse Flash, and Captain Cold.
 
Last edited:
I hope we can call Earth-S, Earth-3 after seing Jay as Flash on Supergirl. Could have her wonder if his speed had aged Barry rapidly
 
Superman was the only publicly known hero on "Earth-S" before Supergirl emerged, so it's not really possible for Earth-3 and "Earth-S" to be the same.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top