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Spoilers The Flash - Season 2

I'm thinking the masked man is someone Zoom was close to, who he didn't want to kill, but didn't want everyone telling the world who he is, which explains the mask. Though how does he eat?

SeamusShameless said:
His "complication" line opens the door for some fuckery.
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One theory is he is from the future.
 
If that's Eddie, and all signs point to that he's going to die in that box with out having children... Thawne will never be born.

Saving Eddie from certain death to the point that he may knock up a woman he's interested in down the line, will recompile Thawne from the nonexistence Zoom put him into by halting Eddies ability to date.
 
Tuskin38 said:
I'm thinking the masked man is someone Zoom was close to, who he didn't want to kill, but didn't want everyone telling the world who he is, which explains the mask. Though how does he eat?



One theory is he is from the future.
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Yeah, that would be the most interesting (and most Flash-esque) way to go - that Jay himself is the villain, he just doesn't know it yet. It does feel a bit problematic, though. If Zoom came from the future, he should already know certain things (like the fact that Killer Frost would betray him and allow Barry to escape), so why is he then allowing himself to lose on purpose? Unless his mind is scrambled somehow, or maybe his motives are actually completely different then we've been told and everything that happened so far is exactly according to his plan.

Of course the one theory I keep coming back to - which would be even harder to work out logically, but would be the ultimate Flash-esque mindbender - is that the man in the mask is also Jay. Say, if Zoom is Jay from 10 years in the future, then the man in the mask is Jay from 5 years in the future who tried to stop Zoom and failed and now has to be kept prisoner for Zoom's own good, until whatever event that created Zoom happens.
 
I'm skeptical that there will be a time-travel explanation for Zoom, because that would be repeating what we already got with the Reverse Flash. If there's more than one Jay, it stands to reason that it ties into this season's overall theme of alternate worlds, rather than rehashing last season's theme of time travel.

And I still think Hunter Zolomon has to play a role in this somehow. They wouldn't have introduced a Jay Garrick lookalike of that name if it hadn't been intended to have some later significance.
 
Having him be some Earth-3 Jay feels like a cop-out.

If that's the case than nobody needs to be who we think they are.
 
I'm not saying the man in the mask has to be a third Jay. I'm not proposing an answer, I'm just saying that I don't expect whatever answer they have to be based on time travel, because they've already done a time-travel villain -- and they're doing time travel every week on Legends of Tomorrow. Writers generally try to avoid repeating themselves. And since this season's storylines are based on parallel timelines, it would seem like a bit of a non sequitur to have the big reveal be based on time travel instead.
 
So if it has to be based on parallel earths and Hunter Zolomon, then what is the big storyline really? Jay and Hunter are twins (Earth 1 Jay was never born maybe )? Jay is a clone of zoom/Jay/Hunter? Other than them looking alike, why would anyone care?

It just doesn't seem like a particularly interesting direction for the story to go. (Imo, of course)

Unless Zoom was using Jay for something, either conciously or unconciously. I suppose that could work, and it would explain why him accidentally catching Jay 'complicates' things.
 
The guy in the mask appears to have a freckle or mole on his neck in the same place that Jay does, so it seems that Teddy Sears plays both characters.
 
Corran Horn said:
This seems to be saying Zoom is Earth-1 Jay (Hunter Zolomon) full stop.
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Hmm. So... does that mean there are 2 Zooms working together? Zoom obviously can't just 'appear to be in 2 places at once' if he's standing there holding himself in his arms. Or perhaps sometimes Jay was Zoom, and sometimes Jay was Zoom's non-powered twin/lackey Hunter Zolomon (or earth 1 Jay Garrick... Or earth 2 Jay Garrick).

And if the man in the mask really is Jay, as well, then Zoom and his evil twin apparently still have at least one good twin who didn't want to go along with things - possibly Earth 1 Hunter Zolomon who has been replaced by Earth 2 Hunter Zolomon?

Well, it's definitely just as deliciously confusing as the time travel theory would've been.
 
grendelsbayne said:
So if it has to be based on parallel earths and Hunter Zolomon, then what is the big storyline really? Jay and Hunter are twins (Earth 1 Jay was never born maybe )? Jay is a clone of zoom/Jay/Hunter? Other than them looking alike, why would anyone care?
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I don't know. I'm not trying to do the writers' job for them. I'm not so arrogant as to assume that my imagination can encompass every possibility their imaginations can conceive. Good fiction surprises us. We aren't supposed to be able to guess all the possibilities in advance. So I'm not interested in playing that game. I'm just saying, in general, that writers don't like to repeat themselves and that stories tend to have a degree of conceptual unity. So I don't think that whatever answer they come up with will involve time travel. But that doesn't mean we can definitively say what the answer "has to be." Just because you or I can't think of a possibility, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means we're not the ones getting paid millions of dollars to write and produce a successful television series. We're just a couple of armchair quarterbacks. So I'm not trying to claim any absolute knowledge of what they'll do; I'm just trying to offer some general observations about what direction it might tend in.

It just doesn't seem like a particularly interesting direction for the story to go. (Imo, of course)
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Lots of stories sound uninteresting until you see them happen. The value of a story isn't in what its general subject is, it's in how the story is told. After all, stories are about characters and emotions and relationships, not abstract ideas. An idea that seems boring or predictable can be entrancing if it underlies a compelling character dynamic. Heck, The Maltese Falcon is about a few people looking for a statue. Casablanca is about immigration papers. What makes a story work has nothing to do with how it sounds in a brief summary.
 
I think Zoom can be Earth-1 Jay (Hunter Z) without a lot of hand-waving.

I don't think the man in the iron mask can be Jay or Hunter Z without some hand-waving.

Some things are obvious - when Eddie had the same last name as Reverse-Flash it was obvious there was a familial tie-in and he'd likely sacrifice himself to erase Reverse-Flash. Why do it otherwise?

I there are more than 2 Jay Garricks running around then anything is possible.
 
Is the most simple answer that Jay split into two person as a result of gaining powers? His evil side wants to dominate. So when he talks about the fight they had and Zoom taking his powers, that could when the split occurred.
 
When Caitlyn and Jay first found Hunter Z (Earth-1), didn't they say HZ was an ordinary human being (not a metahuman)?

If he is Zoom, I suppose it's not too farfetched, considering his name is Hunter Zolomon, and assuming the writers want to be faithful to his comic-book identity.
 
That was a great episode. The stuff with King Shark was a lot of fun, and it was a nice way to bring Dig and Lila over to Flash.
It was nice that Cisco, Barry and Wells' visit to Earth 2 had some lasting effects on them. They got me when Caitlin pretended to be Killer Frost, for a second I thought she actually had taken her place.
I do have to agree with Christopher's early comment about the characters keeping secrets. They all agreed to keep what happened on Earth 2 a secret, but then told everybody anyways. I have to wonder why they even bothered trying to keep it a secret.
The act of revealing of Zoom was a big surprise, but after the last episode and the theories on here his identity wasn't. I am kind of confused though, because in the EW interview it sounded they said it was Hunter Zolomon from Earth 1, but then he was talking about him working with Team Flash. Everything in the episodes seemed to indicate they were actually working with Earth 2 Jay, and we saw Zoom carrying the dead body of a Jay, so that seems to indicate they are two different individuals. So how can Zoom and the Jay they were working with be two different individuals, but yet Zoom's identity meant the group was being betrayed? Were they working together and switching places?
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Gryffindorian said:
When Caitlyn and Jay first found Hunter Z (Earth-1), didn't they say HZ was an ordinary human being (not a metahuman)?

If he is Zoom, I suppose it's not too farfetched, considering his name is Hunter Zolomon, and assuming the writers want to be faithful to his comic-book identity.
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If Jay is working with Zoom/Hunter, then maybe he faked the results.
 
I'm currently thinking that Hunter Zoloman is Zoom, and is originally from earth 1, but found his way to Earth 2 and started his villain thing there (maybe he got there by accident after getting his powers, then discovered how to travel between worlds?). Jay might have thought his Earth 1 counterpart wasn't a meta, but Zoom could probably find a way to fake any detection/tests. I could be wrong, but that's my current theory. As for the man in the mask, I have no idea.
 
JD said:
That was a great episode. The stuff with King Shark was a lot of fun, and it was a nice way to bring Dig and Lila over to Flash.
It was nice that Cisco, Barry and Wells' visit to Earth 2 had some lasting effects on them. They got me when Caitlin pretended to be Killer Frost, for a second I thought she actually had taken her place.
I do have to agree with Christopher's early comment about the characters keeping secrets. They all agreed to keep what happened on Earth 2 a secret, but then told everybody anyways. I have to wonder why they even bothered trying to keep it a secret.
The act of revealing of Zoom was a big surprise, but after the last episode and the theories on here his identity wasn't. I am kind of confused though, because in the EW interview it sounded they said it was Hunter Zolomon from Earth 1, but then he was talking about him working with Team Flash. Everything in the episodes seemed to indicate they were actually working with Earth 2 Jay, and we saw Zoom carrying the dead body of a Jay, so that seems to indicate they are two different individuals. So how can Zoom and the Jay they were working with be two different individuals, but yet Zoom's identity meant the group was being betrayed? Were they working together and switching places?
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If Jay is working with Zoom/Hunter, then maybe he faked the results.
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Pretty much my thoughts.. the interview doesn't make much sense given what we know and have seen. Up until the interview it could be easily explained, i.e. the guy they saw in the park was actually Zoom aka Earth 1 Jay Garrick, real name Hunter Zolomon.

Earth 2 Jay Garrick is Earth 2 Jay Garrick. Period.

Unless they introduce some kind of split personality/split body type situation the whole interview is just confusing.. or it could be a red herring intended to confuse the audience. We'll see.

As to the Man in the Mask.. i think it could well be Earth 1 Henry Allen because he knew the Prisoner Alphabet (or what it was called) and i guess having spent more than a decade behind bars gave him enough time to learn and use it. We also didn't see Henry in quite a while.

Anyway.. an amazing episode and a nice throwback to an over the top comicbook villain (loved the cleanup scene where Wally was just dumbfounded by having seen a walking Shark in pants and the others went "Eh.. another Tuesday". I also love how Diggle is still creeped out by metahuman powers.. always a good laugh (and i guess tomorrow we'll see a new helmet version on Arrow given the throwaway line today).
 
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