Spoilers The Flash - Season 2

[Morpheus 02]

Loved the show!

I'm sad that Henry Allen is gone..but at least he's alive. I was fearing Joe might get killed if Dr. Allen is gone. I still think Henry knows something he's not telling Barry...we'll see.

Great moment with Iris telling her dad advice he gave her originally!

I grew up in the 80's with Earth 2 Flash being older and from WW2. I understand not having a tie to WW2, but I still wish Jay was older..he looks only in his 30's. My 10 year old daughter thought he was a bad guy at first, so I had to explain him to her later (which was fun).

SOme things as ridiculously quick like the radiation dissipating in seconds, or Henry's easy exoneration or Cisco's shiny new badge or Barry's easy ownership of STAR Labs are much more easily overlooked by me due to the rest of show being good and fun.

p.s. I saw Rick Cosnett gest starring on Quantico this week (and perhaps more often). So did he make the move (so he could be on a bigger show), or was that the producers f the Flash's original decision, and then good timing?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Eddie killing himself was something people were suggesting as soon as they heard his last name in the pilot. He was Chekov's gun and only a fool couldn't figure that out, so they must have told Rick that it was a one season gig, but they'd probably call him back for flashbacks and time travel if he was available.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I thought it was very contrived how Henry was leaving town as soon as he got out of jail, because Shipp needed to remain an occasional guest star.

I also found Wells's confession a bit disturbing on the grounds that he's not really Wells...and the real Wells was still alive when Thawne killed Nora. He was effectively framing someone else for his crime.

The thing to keep in mind about Jay Garrick is that he wasn't always old in the comics. In the 1940s, he was the Flash, and still in college in his origin story.

 

[sojourner]

Not sure why they didn't have Henry hang out for a week. Barry could have taken a week off work to be with him. Then, beginning of next episode have Henry leave town on the "cooped up for too long" trope. Would have felt a lot more natural and taken up just as little screen time.

 

[Guy Gardener]

How many deranged fat girls in trailer parks have been pen paling Henry for the last 15 years with dirty, hot, filthy correspondence?

Sex, sex, sex.

He's probably engaged to at least 9 women who parcel post him their used underwear, and it is now his mission to make up for lost time and marry as many of these women before the state bigamy laws catch up with him.

Autassassinophilia?

 

[Christopher]

SOme things as ridiculously quick like the radiation dissipating in seconds

It didn't dissipate; Atom Smasher absorbed it. It's a metahuman power, so we give it a pass.

or Henry's easy exoneration

If nothing else, Wells's confession creates reasonable doubt as to Henry's guilt, and that's all it takes. If there's reasonable doubt, there's no conviction.

Besides, it sounded like the confession contained sufficient detail about the crime to make it convincing.

I also found Wells's confession a bit disturbing on the grounds that he's not really Wells...and the real Wells was still alive when Thawne killed Nora. He was effectively framing someone else for his crime.

Maybe he confessed that he was an impostor, in the part we didn't hear.

Then again, wasn't Wells in his car with his wife at the time of Nora's murder? I think that Thawne killed the Wellses just minutes after killing Nora, so Wells wouldn't have had an alibi. I think.

The thing to keep in mind about Jay Garrick is that he wasn't always old in the comics. In the 1940s, he was the Flash, and still in college in his origin story.

But in the original "Flash of Two Worlds" in 1961, Jay was a couple of decades older, gray-templed, married to his old girlfriend, and retired from crimefighting. He must've been in his early 40s at least.

 

[The Old Mixer]

In the comics Barry looked old enough to shave, so they had to skew Jay a bit younger, too.

IIRC, there was an intervening scene in the flashback that showed Thawne watching the Wellses at a beach in the daytime.

 

[Christopher]

IIRC, there was an intervening scene in the flashback that showed Thawne watching the Wellses at a beach in the daytime.

That daytime scene was earlier in the episode, I think.

 

[The Old Mixer]

To Netflix!

Episode 1 x 17, "Tricksters"

The flashback to the night that Nora was killed is at the beginning of the episode. It ends with Thawne finding out that he can't get back home.

The scene at the beach showing the real Wells and his wife is at around 16-ish minutes.

The scene of the Wellses being killed is at around 36-ish minutes.

Thawne had no reason to stake out Wells before he lost his speed. He thought he'd be able to return to his own time.

 

[Gryffindorian]

The preview for next week shows a guy who can manipulate sand. Is that Sandy Hawkins/Sand? Are they using JSA characters as villains?

 

[kirk55555]

The preview for next week shows a guy who can manipulate sand. Is that Sandy Hawkins/Sand? Are they using JSA characters as villains?

I hop not. I was ok with Atom Smasher, although I would have preferred him being a hero. There are actually a good deal of Earth 2 villains they can use without killing any more JSA Alumni, so hopefully they don't make a thing out of killing any JSA character that isn't a golden age mainstay.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

or Henry's easy exoneration

If nothing else, Wells's confession creates reasonable doubt as to Henry's guilt, and that's all it takes. If there's reasonable doubt, there's no conviction.

Besides, it sounded like the confession contained sufficient detail about the crime to make it convincing.

I'm not sure about that. Granted, my knowledge of this stems from "The Practice", a TV show, but a legal drama created, produced and largely written by an actual lawyer.

Anyway, if "The Practice" didn't make that part up, a ruling in a criminal jury trial can only be overturned, if the judge reviewing the case finds that the jury could not possibly have found the defendant guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
Now, is a confession by a dead guy who in all likelihood wasn't even have been in town during the crime (remember, he lived and worked in Starling before coming to Central City) really so strong that a jury could not possibly ultimately dismissed it?

 

[Guy Gardener]

An appeal should have taken months to years.

Judges only have all of their super powers while they're on the clock and while they they are in chambers.

Didn't Hank get time added for escaping last year?

The "video" was altered, when Barry deleted the first 2 minutes, and therefore inadmissible.

Shouldn't telling a judge in person his confession in exchange for a time machine, at the end of last season have been a better deal, than risking the planet being sucked into a black hole?

OOOO!

Thawne set up the paperwork, and his lawyer, and everything fell into place the moment the alert hit the Lawyers office... Oh?

That's malware.

Benign malware.

Shouldn't STARLab's antiviral programs should have put a lid on that and reformatted that entire thumb drive before Barry saw it?

 

[LaxScrutiny]

A video of, say, traffic cam footage that was used as evidence wouldn't be 24 hours long, it would be a clip of the relevant moments.

Evidence is admissible if it is relevant and legally acquired. It is not automatically assumed to be possibly falsified, it would have to be challenged by the prosecution or defense.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Chain of evidence.

They did that on "How to get away with Murder last" week.

The defence was duped into taking fraudulent evidence via a doctored recording, to make them look like asshats, and get fired.

If this was all it took, they could have gotten Everyman to pretend to be any other dead person, who could have killed Nora, to admit to being culpable.

Actually, when he went back in time, why didn't Barry "film" his mothers murder as a plan B, in case he couldn't save her?

Shouldn't Cisco's captured image(s?) on the mirror lens have been enough to save Henry?

 

[Thestral]

i kinda hate that Atom Smasher was not only killed off but served as a bad guy. i guess its kinda sorta ok since he was from another reality. but not really. not with the 'real' Al getting killed too. why did he kill 'himself'?

Same here tbh, killing off "our" Al seemed like a convenient way to short-circuit having him play any sort of role beyond this episode. And with a "sandy" villain next week, I hope they don't plan on making a habit of using non-Jay JSA-ers as villains (well, aside from Ted Grant over on Arrow of course). I was kind of hoping that as he was dying he'd reveal some sort of brainwashing or mental control.

Still, that's really just a quibble overall. Other than that, fantastic opening. The flashback to stopping the singularity was very poignant and a nice goodbye for (our?) Ronnie. You gotta feel awful for Caitlin, wed and widowed in... what, 20 minutes? I'm still opposed to them turning her into Killer Frost, and based on her warmth and forgiveness towards Barry in this episode you'll have a hard time using Ronnie's death to fuel it (IMO). Really loved the little scene where she offered to watch Wells' video with Barry.

Speaking of, that was totally unexpected and awesome of Wells to confess. Not totally a good sport move of course, because he still managed to twist the knife by emphasizing Barry would still be unhappy. I am a little disappointed Henry left so immediately - I agree with whoever it was suggested it would've been nice to have him stick around for the week and then take off during the teaser of next episode, even with the same logic. But again, no big deal.

Cisco working for the CCPD is a nice move, and his enthusiasm as always is great - by the way loved his ecstatic hug of Dr. Stein for coining Atom Smasher (and Dr. Stein for doing it at all!). Joe was solid as always. Iris was... eh, she was there and pleasant enough. The "best friend" gag between her and Cisco made me chuckle.

Overall, we're off to a smashing () start and I'm so excited to see Jay!

 

[Myko]

Might be more likely that Caitlin of Earth 2 is Killer Frost over there.

 

[Thestral]

Oh derp I didn't even think of that. They could totally pull a Dark Willow on us.

 

[DWF]

It was a bit of a strange opener because of the flashback seeing Barry's guilt before the conclusion of the cliffhanger. It's bit odd that Henry left so suddenly, Barry's been waiting his whole life to spend time with him and he just leaves.

 

[TheSeeker]

So does Barry own Star Labs now?