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Spoilers The Flash - Season 2

Prediction:
The man in the iron mask is the real Jay Garrick. The "Jay" here is actually Zoom, and he's using Caitlin to help him boost his speed. Note that Zoom didn't appear in Earth-2 except when Jay was "asleep" on Earth-1.

Edit: Then again, maybe not...

Edit 2: Yeah, pretty definitely not. Well, it was worth a try. If I'd been right, you'd all be amazed now at how prescient I was.
 
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^Exactly what I was thinking. I'm even noticing a resemblance in the body language of the character in question.

What made you doubt your prediction?
 
I was thinking that too. However...

we saw Zoom and Jay both active at the same time in the closing scenes. Jay and Joe were fixing the cannon while Zoom was being attacked by Frost, and then both Jay was there with Caitlin and the rest when Zoom attacked Earth-2 STAR Labs.

Here's an idea: what if the man in the iron mask is in fact the real Jay Garrick of Earth 2 - it certainly would fit what we saw, right? - but 'our' Jay is the Jay from Earth-3 (the Crime Syndicate Earth)?

ETA: Never mind, my theory above doesn't work at all. Obviously Zoom and Jay are different people. But who is Zoom? And why did the guy in the cell get so upset and keep saying Jay?

Either way, these have been a pair of really really good episodes.
 
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What if the Jay we've been seeing is a "speed echo" like Reverse Flash from a few episodes ago? Zoom is Jay in the future, and the man in the iron mask is Jay from the past.

Speedster powers in the DCU play fast and fantastic with what they can do, after all.
 
I've been assuming that there may be a time travel component to Zoom's nature, as with the Reverse Flash. He could be somebody's future self.

Alternately,

the Jay we're familiar with may be an agent of Zoom's, not Zoom himself. Maybe Zoom is Hunter Zolomon from Earth-1....
 
If a time travel aspect is involved, he could have been trying to warn them about what happened at the end of the episode.
 
I found Grant Gustin's performance as Earth-2 Barry to be quite endearing. I didn't watch last year because I didn't care for (and still haven't completely been won over) by Arrow but I think this is now my most eagerly anticipated show of the week. If I was forced to watch only a single program a week this would likely be it.

Anyone else think The Man in the Iron Mask could make it easier to communicate? I mean just trace the letters on the glass. Or am I missing something there?
 
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I was really hoping they would reveal the man in the iron mask. I thought the same thing about this Jay we have gotten to know wasn't the real Jay and maybe that is still the case but they were setting up a reveal all episode, at least it felt like it. Overall, I really enjoyed this two parter. I really hope we see Earth 2 Barry again because Gustin was really good at just simple Barry. This two episodes really kicked flash back into high gear for the stretch run.
 
My theory is now, that the man in the mask is Jay, and the Jay on E1 is a duplicate/clone and that's why he doesn't have his speed.
He didn't lose it, he never had it.
That probably happened by accident when Zoom tried to steal his speed somehow.
Instead of stealing his speed he created a Metacrisis Flash.
Alternatively when trying to seperate the speedforce from Jay he seperated him into 2 people instead, neither having the speedforce on his own.
That's why mask man doesn't have powers either.
Ultimately they have to remerge to get the speed back, but one of them will seize to exist in the process.
 
M.A.C.O. said:
What if the Jay we've been seeing is a "speed echo" like Reverse Flash from a few episodes ago? Zoom is Jay in the future, and the man in the iron mask is Jay from the past.

Speedster powers in the DCU play fast and fantastic with what they can do, after all.
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The time echo theory turned out to be bunk.

If he was a time echo, they could have locked up Eobard in that Cell or out right killed him, with no consequences whatsoever to time.

Time got pissy and insisted on continuity being followed.

Thawne wasn't erased retroactively from the point of Eddies death.

His entire past continues to exist in the past, present and future where it used to be.

Everything Thawne did, still has to be done.

Earth 3 was a thought i had rummaging around too.

How did Harry get a Time Vault?

If Zoom turns out to be Earth 2 Thawne...

HA!

Eddie is going to kill himself again.

Shit.

The end of every year a different Eddie kills himself to end a different Thawne.

Although if the timevault belongs to Zoom, he wouldn't have fallen for the hologram, or need to phase through the walls to get into the Time Vault.
 
For what it's worth, there was a shot of the man in the iron mask where you could see the back of his neck and hairline, and the color and cut of his hair did seem to match Jay's.
 
If Zoom is a Jay, collecting Jays across space time to be speed batteries.... As he drains them, they get younger and slower, and he gets older, blacker and faster.
 
So what if when Zoom grabbed Jay he somehow dragged him to the past due to the vortex being all wibbly wobbly and the Jay with the mask is this Jay's future and what he was actually trying to tap is a warning to Barry to tell Jay not to stand so close to the vortex?

By the way, Jesse and helmet-Jay not figuring out how to communicate for 5 months while they were there alone with each other makes no sense for the smartest person on two Earths even if the person she's stuck with is Jay, the dunce who stood too close to the vortex.
 
dodge said:
By the way, Jesse and helmet-Jay not figuring out how to communicate for 5 months while they were there alone with each other makes no sense for the smartest person on two Earths even if the person she's stuck with is Jay, the dunce who stood too close to the vortex.
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It's a contrivance, just like Jay being dumb at the end. (unless that was intentional on his part)

The hair from the back certainly does seem to be Jay's as we know him. I actually thought it was either Dig or Wally somehow until we saw the back of the neck. I guess his hands were just dirty. My wife thought it was Dig but when we saw more of him I thought the guy's not built enough to be him.
 
If the masked man was Jay, then why was Zoom fighting him when the vortex appeared during the season finale? Jay did have the speed back then, and Zoom would've killed him if he wasn't interrupted by the anomaly.
 
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