The Flash - Season 1
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That was a great episode. We got some interesting stuff with Barry learning about being there the night his mom died. Although I do question if his plan to stop his mom from dying is really going to work. How does he know that things aren't playing out exactly like they did before?
I like the fact that Professor Stein and Robbie can combine and break apart at will. I didn't know anything about Firestorm before The Flash, so I wasn't sure how all of that was going to work going forward.
I'm very curious to see where they are going with Iris wanting to know what is happening in Star Labs. I hope she finds out about Barry and Team Flash, but I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't, so they can have one main character who doesn't know about Barry.
That last scene was pretty great. I have to admit, I didn't expect Grodd to actually be working Wells. It'll definitely be interesting to see what exactly that relationship is.
From the preview for the next episode, it looks like the rest of the characters are going to find out about Wells already. That really shocks me.
I like the fact that Professor Stein and Robbie can combine and break apart at will. I didn't know anything about Firestorm before The Flash, so I wasn't sure how all of that was going to work going forward.
I'm very curious to see where they are going with Iris wanting to know what is happening in Star Labs. I hope she finds out about Barry and Team Flash, but I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't, so they can have one main character who doesn't know about Barry.
That last scene was pretty great. I have to admit, I didn't expect Grodd to actually be working Wells. It'll definitely be interesting to see what exactly that relationship is.
From the preview for the next episode, it looks like the rest of the characters are going to find out about Wells already. That really shocks me.
Well, there's always a possibility it will be a reset button episode.
For example, let's say Wells prepares to make a time jump and exposes his true nature to the team in the process; but it turns out he tried to time travel prematurely and he ends up re-entering time at some point before he was exposed. It could be interesting if Wells lands at a point early in the season and starts changing things we've already seen (such as Barry exposing his identity to General Eiling in the Plastique episode).
All he has to do, is ask Sisco to make him a Green Costume.
When it comes to Barry trying to save his Mom, I have a felling that they might take some ideas from the Flashpoint comic event. He'll actually change time and save his mother, but in the end time will change for the worse. Maybe he ends up dying as a child (remember, he apparently saved his young self originally, so maybe this time he saves his mom but his younger self dies). Or maybe just having his Mom alive changes history too much. A world with metahumans, but no Flash, leading to big problems?
I have no idea if this is where they'll go with this obviously, but I think it seems plausible. In the end, he'd have to let his Mom die to restore history. The idea of Flash screwing up his own time line and having to fix it, while not original, could be interesting. They could even have alt-Ollie show up, maybe as a much darker Arrow trying to deal with metahumans. It could work, although its all just a theory I have based on the time travel stuff.
I have no idea if this is where they'll go with this obviously, but I think it seems plausible. In the end, he'd have to let his Mom die to restore history. The idea of Flash screwing up his own time line and having to fix it, while not original, could be interesting. They could even have alt-Ollie show up, maybe as a much darker Arrow trying to deal with metahumans. It could work, although its all just a theory I have based on the time travel stuff.
Nice potential nod to Superman II with the God/Grodd exchange.
I'm thinking that his #1 concern is still Barry, and his dealings with Eiling were informed by the general's revelation that he knew Barry was the Flash.
And knowing that he's supposed to fail, he has to have motivation to go back at all.
I gotta admit, the prospect of altering the past is intriguing. I just hope they manage to take it somewhere other than to "The City on the Edge of Forever," as in if Barry's mom lives the future is worse so he has to let her die kind of thing. It's a great episode of Star Trek, but we've been there and done that.
Yes, they were.
Unless Wells has inside knowledge about Firestorm's future as well...?
We have, but I'd wager that a good segment of the show's audience probably isn't as familiar with TOS.
And if the result involves Barry going back to a timeline where he doesn't officially exist, it could play more like It's a Wonderful Life.
That could be interesting, because that's not exactly It's a Wonderful Life either, since the issue there was whether to follow through on a suicide. So, kinda like It's a Wonderful City on the Edge of Forever, maybe?
Gotya. We'll see.
Now that I think about it, you're right. Wells gave up Stein because Eiling threatened Barry.
Anyway, I hope that Grodd's plans for Eiling don't involve killing him, because he's Clancy freaking Brown! Hopefully he'll come back under Grodd's mind control. Hmm, which makes sense, come to think of it. No way do they have the budget to show a CGI gorilla for more than a few shots per episode, so Grodd will probably act mostly through human proxies.
Oooh...now that's an interesting idea. General Grodd....
It would also alleviate any heat that might have been expected to follow the death of a U.S. general.
Besides protecting Barry, Wells wasn't going to openly defy General Eiling, because the Army could take over S.T.A.R. labs in a heartbeat. Why they hadn't already is a bit of a mystery to me.
Albeit one carrying out what was evidently a rogue operation that entailed attempting to murder US citizens. Although I guess maybe he could've claimed it was in the name of "national security" or whatever. It's tame next to what Amanda Waller does over in Arrow.
Martin Stein, in the comics, was an alcoholic. I'm pretty sure he's as likely to be portrayed as such as Tony Stark is in the current Marvel movies, but still, if he is, maybe Wells could just explain it as him being black-out drunk when Eiling came in.
Speaking of Eiling, is it too much to hope that he'll take what he learns about Stein and apply it to some strange metal? Or maybe he's interested because 20 years ago he performed some experiments with nuclear energy on a strange metal, by framing his subordinate and testing it out on him? And now, Eiling thinks the Firestorm matrix can help him with a 20 year old dead-end (thus allowing for his text subject, one Captain Nathaniel Adam to return?).
Firestorm, in the comics, has the ability to merge and un-merge at will. In his pre-52 origin story, Stein was knocked unconscious, but Ronnie was awake when the explosion fused them together. Ronnie was thus the dominant consciousness and Stein was a floating head. Ronnie could merge and un-merge easily, but they seemed to never quite be clear on whether or not Stein could. I seem to remember him at times initiating the merge and other times having to get to Ronnie to get him to initiate it.
At one point, Stein wanted out of the merge and forced Ronnie to release him. This indicated to me that Ronnie could control it at will, but Stein had to exert a lot of force to get the merge to fail and release him.
Shortly after that story, Stein was revealed to have an inoperable brain tumor (one that was resistant to radiation). While slowly dying, he and Ronnie attempted to pull a Superman IV and rid the world of nuclear weapons. During this time, Stein would lose-consciousness. If he did so while they were Firestorm, they would un-merge, usually at some inopportune times. Once, for example, it happened when they had sneaked onto a Russian submarine.
In the New-52, at least the first few issues of the series, before I dropped it, Ronnie and Jason Rusch could both turn into separate Firestorms, but when they got angry enough, they would merge into a Hulk-like creature called Fury. They were not able to un-merge easily.
As far as General Eiling is concerned, it would make more sense for him to become the Shaggy Man than merge with Grodd. At least that's what happened to him in Grant Morrison's JLA.
