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The Flash - Season 1
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Meh, this one was merely okay. A guy who can run across town, back some bags, and run back in the space of a sip of beer can't sneak up behind and disarm two ordinary dudes with projectile weapons? Lame. I know it's the show's unavoidable core concept and all, and that I've got to meet it halfway, but in this ep it didn't do the same for me. Meanwhile, the CW drama was unusually dull, and I have a fairly high tolerance for that sort of stuff.
Particularly disappointing is we've never really seen ordinary civilians outside of the regulars talking about the Flash and the various town weirdness. I was expecting a rally at or near the confrontation scene, ASM2 style. I'm sure crowds are expensive, but c'mon, give us something besides Iris' blog.
Particularly disappointing is we've never really seen ordinary civilians outside of the regulars talking about the Flash and the various town weirdness. I was expecting a rally at or near the confrontation scene, ASM2 style. I'm sure crowds are expensive, but c'mon, give us something besides Iris' blog.
Yeah, especially considering we already saw Barry do that exact thing in the first Captain Cold episode, when he zipped by and pulled all the guns out of the robbers' hands before they even knew what was happening.
Still though, it's just one of those conceits that we're gonna have to live with on this show, because otherwise very few if any of these villains would pose much of a threat to Barry. And I'm okay with it.
Still though, it's just one of those conceits that we're gonna have to live with on this show, because otherwise very few if any of these villains would pose much of a threat to Barry. And I'm okay with it.
I believe up until this point most people still didn't really believe that The Flash was real. The whole thing with this one was this was supposed to be the first time the public realized that The Flash really did exist.
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I did find it rather odd that the police captain was stunned by the Flash's existence. Didn't he authorize a task force to hunt the Flash down a few episodes ago?
The US Post Office swallows almost 4 million dollars a year dealing to Santa Claus related issues.
I realized that when he was moving in with Joe at the end of the episode. You're right, it does seem a little weird. I guess it's not hard to see Barry devoting all of his non-police time to increasing his speed, as he really didn't seem to have much of a life, anyway (except for interacting with the S.T.A.R. labs crew, Iris, and Joe).
These are all the Geoff Johns touches to the Rogues. His Leonard Snart was, if you'll excuse the pun, as cool as a cucumber, rarely giving in to strong emotions (the death of his sister being one of them, though she died in the comics in the mid-90's, and it was Johns' spotlight issue of Captain Cold in the early 00's where he sought vengeance for that). Being the leader of the Rogues, it was always Snart's way, and his way including some pretty good lines of thought, such as, "don't kill a 'cape' since it brings too much attention to them).
Johns wrote Mick Rory as a pyromaniac, who was responsible for the death of his family, as a kid, when he locked them in their house late one night, set the house on fire, and just stared at the flames. He'd had varying degrees (again, sorry for the pun) of control over this, but in later issues gave in to the lure of the flame.
Incidentally, both Snart and Rory created their weapons in the comics. Snart figured the emissions from a cyclotron could slow the Flash down and built a gun based on a cyclotron. Mick designed his gun to quickly eject its ammo, and even developed a quick-draw system where it would reload upon being placed back into its holster. So, I like Snart's insistence that they know their weapons backwards and forwards, even if they didn't create them themselves.
And as a Firestorm fan, I was loving the introduction of Jason, the name dropping (and a photo) of Professor Stein, and the reveal as to what F.I.R.E.S.T.O.R.M. stands for.
I also thought it was funny that Snart used Caitlyn as bait, given her last name. Though...
Is she supposed to become Killer Frost? I thought we were told that she would gain powers, and Cisco would, too, with him becoming Vibe.
I see that as being more a season 3 story.
I'd forgotten that, and they also straight-up ignored the fact that Eddie just got beat up by and loathes the Flash. Maybe they were simplifying things a bit to start the new year's half-season off in newbie-friendly manner?
But that was during an adventure where every one was turning into a psycho by a metahuman and randomly attacking people.
How dumb is Eddie?
How dumb is Eddie?
When the Captain allowed Eddie to start his task force, the Captain still didn't believe their was a Flash. The Captain understood there was something out there, but didn't believe in the so called Flash.
The thing about Eddie helping out the Flash, when he decides to do it, he doesn't believe it himself. Go back and look at the face he made, he couldn't believe he was going to help the Flash. Thats what I got from it anyway, YMMV.
The thing about Eddie helping out the Flash, when he decides to do it, he doesn't believe it himself. Go back and look at the face he made, he couldn't believe he was going to help the Flash. Thats what I got from it anyway, YMMV.
Vito D'Ambrosio has revealed he is playing the same character in the Trickster but with with a new title.
So my guess is that this version of Tony Bellows is still with the Central City Police Department but a much higher rank. Which given his age now makes sense.
In the backstory of this version of James Jesse/Trickster, was captured and has been in prison for years. Perhaps Bellows arrested him originally.
I LOVE THIS! It means its likely if they can get any of the supporting cast from the old show, they will play the same characters. Alex Desert, Richard Belzer, Dick Miller, etc. All
played characters created for that older series and DC has never really used since than. So I do not think they feel the need to keep them young with new actors.
I had been worried that because those names and characters were created for tv, DC would need to pay writers Paul DeMeo and Danny Bilson, and would be reluctant to do so. Tina McGee and James Jesse were comics created characters before that show. So Amanda Pays and Mark Hamill playing those parts was never an issue. But DeMeo and Bilson have written comics since than and an arrangement was made or maybe DC always has had those names. I know they did not always own the rights to Ursa and Non. Either way..... I am thrilled!
The great thing is new show is strong in its own right. These tributes to the old series have been very organic and not forced just for nostalgia so far.
So my guess is that this version of Tony Bellows is still with the Central City Police Department but a much higher rank. Which given his age now makes sense.
In the backstory of this version of James Jesse/Trickster, was captured and has been in prison for years. Perhaps Bellows arrested him originally.
I LOVE THIS! It means its likely if they can get any of the supporting cast from the old show, they will play the same characters. Alex Desert, Richard Belzer, Dick Miller, etc. All
played characters created for that older series and DC has never really used since than. So I do not think they feel the need to keep them young with new actors.
I had been worried that because those names and characters were created for tv, DC would need to pay writers Paul DeMeo and Danny Bilson, and would be reluctant to do so. Tina McGee and James Jesse were comics created characters before that show. So Amanda Pays and Mark Hamill playing those parts was never an issue. But DeMeo and Bilson have written comics since than and an arrangement was made or maybe DC always has had those names. I know they did not always own the rights to Ursa and Non. Either way..... I am thrilled!
The great thing is new show is strong in its own right. These tributes to the old series have been very organic and not forced just for nostalgia so far.
What sort of money would be inolved to pay the writers for the use of the characters they created?
I do not know.
One example I can think of is Nicholas Locarno played by Robert Duncan McNeill on The Next Generation playing a somewhat similar character of Tom Paris on Voayger. There has been debate as to if the need to pay royalties was the real reason why McNeill did not play Locarno on VOY.
Better example though is probably T'Pau and T'Pol. Originally a younger T'Pau was going to be the science officer on Enterprise. But it would have cost a lot to use her as a regular character. So a new character of T'Pol was created. It was much cheaper to have T'Pau appear for only 3 guest appearances during season 4.
One example I can think of is Nicholas Locarno played by Robert Duncan McNeill on The Next Generation playing a somewhat similar character of Tom Paris on Voayger. There has been debate as to if the need to pay royalties was the real reason why McNeill did not play Locarno on VOY.
Better example though is probably T'Pau and T'Pol. Originally a younger T'Pau was going to be the science officer on Enterprise. But it would have cost a lot to use her as a regular character. So a new character of T'Pol was created. It was much cheaper to have T'Pau appear for only 3 guest appearances during season 4.
Hum, *has* this Flash actually disarmed people by grabbing their guns? I'm still trying to rationalize why he didn't do exactly that. I know we're expected to believe that he didn't want to make himself a target WHILE getting the other two to cross the streams, so I'm wondering if there is a deliberate limitation on his speed for some things, while other non-plot related gags enable him to move faster than otherwise thought.
[Aside: He had his bags ready to go just outside the house, before bringing up moving back in as planned. QED.]
An easy out to this would be to simply have Barry be shot by the cold gun again. It slowed him down significantly last time, and would have been a good way to go to keep the fight going without me OR my wife wondering out loud why the heck he didn't just grab their guns in the first place.
Mark
PS - Police can't snipe 'em because of the hostage, good catch. I guess they *could* have aimed to disable, but snipers are generally not trained for that.
[Aside: He had his bags ready to go just outside the house, before bringing up moving back in as planned. QED.]
An easy out to this would be to simply have Barry be shot by the cold gun again. It slowed him down significantly last time, and would have been a good way to go to keep the fight going without me OR my wife wondering out loud why the heck he didn't just grab their guns in the first place.
Mark
PS - Police can't snipe 'em because of the hostage, good catch. I guess they *could* have aimed to disable, but snipers are generally not trained for that.
Yeah I think the Captain just believed there was some crazy vigilante out there that needed to be stopped. I don't think he believed or was aware yet that the Flash had actual superpowers.
Yeah I think it was the beginning of the first Captain Cold episode, when all the guys robbing the armored truck were immediately disarmed in one pass by Barry.
Of course with all the lightning and energy Barry usually puts off one could easily understand the bad guys having enough time to react, but we've also seen that he can move in literally the blink of an eye as well, without people like Iris even being aware of it. So that kind of shoots down that explanation.
A royalty for every use, basically. Which is why it's more likely to be done as a guest role than a regular.
Because it isn't really practical, unfortunately. Not only is there too much risk of missing, but even being shot in the arm or leg can be lethal if a major artery is hit.
I'm thinking it was also a set up for them to make new versions when they come back. They've been pretty clear in interviews that they'll back, and I think the end made it pretty obvious too.
