The Flash - Season 1

[Dick Whitman]

I am curious to see what they do with Henry Allen. In the comics, when Geoff Johns introduced the father framed for the mother's murder, Henry Allen died in prison before Barry even became the Flash. I really hated that, just added unneeded layers of tragedy to Barry's past.

The show's approach is a huge improvement. It gives Barry greater motivation to learn the truth. He can free his Dad. Also it makes Henry Allen a real character with whom Barry has an actual relationship. Which has been a great role for John Wesley Shipp. I hope he is cleared and released.

 

[The Old Mixer]

It seems like Wells is empowering the costume...which could be worn by somebody else...maybe his "guinea pig" while he figures out how to make himself the Reverse Flash...or somehow sets up becoming what he already is. Wearing the ring just kind of screams that he's the guy who wears the costume, one way or the other.

 

[shivkala]

Aside from briefly being possessed by the Top, Henry Allen (and his wife, Nora) were some of Barry's biggest cheerleaders. They were, at least to my knowledge, unique in the Pre-Crisis DC history for being parents of an adult hero that (a) were still alive in the "present" and (b) were involved in the comic. Barry eventually even revealed his identity to them (in 1981, after Henry's possession by the Top was thwarted).

In pre-Crisis, Martha and Jonathan Kent were dead by the time Clark was an adult. Obviously, Thomas and Martha Wayne were dead.

I don't know if Hal Jordan's parents were ever mentioned (several sites list Martin Jordan's first appearance as Emerald Dawn #1 in 1989, 30 years after Hal's introduction). Interestingly enough, Hal's brothers were introduced in 1961. Does anyone who's into the Silver Age know if Hal's parents were at least mentioned before 1989, if not seen in the comics before then?

Obviously, J'onn's parents are dead. Arthur's father and mother being dead are also key to his origin story. Wonder Woman's mother was alive in the Pre-Crisis DCU, but that Wonder Woman never had a father.

Oliver Queen's parents were dead, but I found that Ray Palmer's father was in the comics, but I can't find anything to indicate his mother was. I see nothing about Ralph Dibney's parents. Zatanna's father was alive for a while, but her mother is a different story (one source says she was a Homo Magi). Ronnie Raymond's father was alive, but his mother died before his introduction.

Seriously, Silver Age aficionados/experts, aside from the Allens, were any other adult hero's parents alive in Pre-Crisis? And did they play a part in the hero's' supporting cast like the Allens did?

 

[The Old Mixer]

Supergirl's adoptive parents, the Danverses.

Ronnie Raymond's dad if Ronnie's not too young to qualify.

Kid Flash's parents, but he was still Kid Flash then.

Trigon.

 

[OdoWanKenobi]

I don't know if Hal Jordan's parents were ever mentioned (several sites list Martin Jordan's first appearance as Emerald Dawn #1 in 1989, 30 years after Hal's introduction). Interestingly enough, Hal's brothers were introduced in 1961. Does anyone who's into the Silver Age know if Hal's parents were at least mentioned before 1989, if not seen in the comics before then?

I'm thinking this may actually be the case. I can't find any mention of Martin Jordan before Emerald Dawn. If the character was never mentioned before then, I'm going to say at the very least his death in a plane crash is a strictly post-crisis thing.

 

[JD]

Wow, that was a hell of an episode.
The stuff with Ronnie was cool, I loved seeing him help Barry, and fly. I realized with all of the superpowers we've seen so far, this was kind of surprisingly the first person we actually saw fly.
The stuff with the Reverse Flash was great. Loved the fight scenes, and his confrontation with the group was cool.
That ending......
I'm curious if Wells is the Reverse Flash or if he is just working with him. The fact that he was beat up would make me lean towards working with, but what RF said to Barry and real world comments from the producers make it pretty clear time travel is involved, so we really can't rule anything out at this point. I'm also curious what the significance of him staring at Eddie without attacking him is. The name thing still makes me wonder if they are somehow connected.

 

[Guy Gardener]

V = D/T.

D = V x T

Barry has a resting speed of 0kph with the ability to approach Lightspeed.

What's the reverse of that?

Maybe Zoom has a resting speed of Lightspeed with the ability to approach 0kph?

If true, that does put some alarming restrictions on the nature of the Reverse Flash's lifestyle.

1. If he stops "moving" in reverse towards zero, Zoom hits lightspeed, and bounces through time until he gets his shit together again.

2. Zoom can't sleep. If he sleeps, he stops moving and breaks the lightspeed barrier and he's lost in time again.

3. If Zoom doesn't sleep, and hasn't slept for hours, weeks or years, he is most probably insane.

 

[DigificWriter]

I'd like to point out that the episode stinger reveal of Wells with the yellow suit and the Tacyhon device was handled pretty much identically to the way the audience learned that Merlyn was the Dark Archer, a reveal, I might add, that also happened at the conclusion of Season 1 Episode 9. Wells is the RF; what we don't know is how he was able to beat himself up.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I've read two reviews of the episode, and they still both cited Eddie as the most likely identity of Reverse Flash. I didn't get that rumor to begin with, and I wonder why it still continues to exists.

Mostly likely, Eddie is going to face Tommy's fate. And that's it.

Also, assuming Wells goes full evil (I think he will.), I hope they keep Pays around and have Tina buys-out STAR labs. And hires Hamilton. Alessandro's not too busy.

 

[OdoWanKenobi]

I've read two reviews of the episode, and they still both cited Eddie as the most likely identity of Reverse Flash. I didn't get that rumor to begin with, and I wonder why it still continues to exists.

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Probably because he shares a name ( Thawne) with one Reverse-Flash and has a very similar backstory to another (Hunter Zolomon.) Eddie seems a reasonable change from Eobard, which is not a TV friendly name I guess.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'd like to point out that the episode stinger reveal of Wells with the yellow suit and the Tacyhon device was handled pretty much identically to the way the audience learned that Merlyn was the Dark Archer, a reveal, I might add, that also happened at the conclusion of Season 1 Episode 9. Wells is the RF; what we don't know is how he was able to beat himself up.

COUGH!

^ How would time travel have anything to do with the RF being in the same room as both of the people who've been speculated to be that character?

Well, you're consistent.

 

[JD]

It's pretty clear that present day Eddie isn't RF, but we do know time travel is involved, so it being a future version of him can't be totally ruled out. At this point, I'm leaning more towards him being a possible future descendant of Eddie.

 

[OdoWanKenobi]

Well, in the comics Wally was able to move so fast he could appear to be two places simultaneously. Perhaps Reverse-Flash could be doing something similar. It could explain how, if he is Wells, he was able to beat himself up. Or it could just be time travel.

 

[JD]

Time travel is a much simpler explanation, and we already know directly from one of the EPs that time travel will be heavily involved in the later parts of the season. I'm wondering if the end of season cliffhanger is going to be Barry traveling back to the day his mother died. That seems like the perfect cliffhanger given everything that happened in the first half of the season.

 

[DigificWriter]

@Guy: I was clearly wrong in almost everything that I've said up to this point about Wells.

 

[Guy Gardener]

"It is your destiny to lose to me, just as it was your Mother's destiny to die."

Had to go back and check that he did say "was".

I was wondering if the Reverse Flash hadn't killed her yet in his own personal timeline even though he could've be aware that it's been expected of him for quite some time.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's pretty clear that present day Eddie isn't RF, but we do know time travel is involved, so it being a future version of him can't be totally ruled out. At this point, I'm leaning more towards him being a possible future descendant of Eddie.

That may be why Eddie wasn't killled by RF. Eddie actually asked why RF didn't harm him

Supergirl's adoptive parents, the Danverses.

Ronnie Raymond's dad if Ronnie's not too young to qualify.

Kid Flash's parents, but he was still Kid Flash then.

Trigon.

Hippolyte was alive in the Siliver and Golden Age continuities. And in the Post Crisis one.

 

[Gryffindorian]

Best episode of the season yet. It was very exciting and emotional.

I almost cried when Barry finally professed his love for Iris. Things will be quite awkward between them from now on.

I didn't recognize who was following Caitlyn around until the guy lit up. I would like to see more of Firestorm, even if he's only a supporting cast.

Reverse Flash was interesting. Cisco pointed out to Detective West that there were two streaks, one red and one yellow, that Barry witnessed the night his mother was murdered. Who killed Nora Allen and why? I can't wait to find out!

 

[Guy Gardener]

Why would Harry have a Flash ring if he wasn't a Flash?

The Ring opens doors in the time machine.

Are we sure that that "room" is just a time machine?

Maybe the Newspaper is an exhibit?

What if that Reverse Flash Costume in the Time Machine is another exhibit?

How many more exhibits are there?

Wouldn't that mean that the time machine is probably the Flash Museum or part of the Flash Museum and that Wells is a curator and the Flash Ring is probably his pass key for opening locked doors and his employee ID.

Hmmm?

Wells has been in the past for ten years, with complete access to future tech, and all scientific discoveries for at least the next 10 years starting 20 years ago. Harrison could have made that tachyon collector himself at any point without resorting to all that subterfuge. He could have duplicated the tech after having access to it for a couple hours, god forbid 20 years, Wells could have duplicated the tech and had no need to steal it in front of the cops and a murderous supervillain.

"Sigh"

If that yellow suit we saw was an old Reverse Flash costume that's been an exhibit for the last 10 years since Barry kicked "Zoom's" ass, it would be a saturated sponge of Tachyon particles that until now Wells had no method to access and pour into the museum/time ships bone dry feul tank... That is of course if Wells is stuck/lost in time, and not actually exactly where he needs to be.

 

[DigificWriter]

Best episode of the season yet. It was very exciting and emotional.

I almost cried when Barry finally professed his love for Iris. Things will be quite awkward between them from now on.

I didn't recognize who was following Caitlyn around until the guy lit up. I would like to see more of Firestorm, even if he's only a supporting cast.

Reverse Flash was interesting. Cisco pointed out to Detective West that there were two streaks, one red and one yellow, that Barry witnessed the night his mother was murdered. Who killed Nora Allen and why? I can't wait to find out!

The Reverse Flash (Wells) killed Nora; it's the identity of the person responsible for generating the red streak of lightning that needs to be revealed (although it's likely Barry).