The Flash - Season 1
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At least Eddie noticed the appropriateness of Barry buying Iris a wedding ring....
Anyone think that if they unmask Zoom, whoever he is, he'll look like Barry? Isn't that the case in the comics?
I also have a kooky theory that Zoom might be the least likely suspect...the man he framed, Barry's dad.
Anyone think that if they unmask Zoom, whoever he is, he'll look like Barry? Isn't that the case in the comics?
I also have a kooky theory that Zoom might be the least likely suspect...the man he framed, Barry's dad.
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Having John Wesley Shipp play the Reverse Flash would be kind of cool in a way... but isn't it literally self-defeating to frame oneself?
Also, I wouldn't like what it would do to Barry and Henry's relationship.
It could be some sort of timey wimey wibbly wobbly stuff...the guy in the cell might not know that he's the guy in the yellow suit.
But my other kooky theory is that the Reverse Flash is Wells and Wells is Evil Future Barry.
ETA: OK, it would also be self-defeating for Wells to beat himself up.
After RF's confrontations with everyone, I'm thinking more that it's maybe future Eddie.
And I guess Firestorm just officially declared his breakup with Caitlin...so she and Barry are both free....
But my other kooky theory is that the Reverse Flash is Wells and Wells is Evil Future Barry.
ETA: OK, it would also be self-defeating for Wells to beat himself up.
After RF's confrontations with everyone, I'm thinking more that it's maybe future Eddie.
And I guess Firestorm just officially declared his breakup with Caitlin...so she and Barry are both free....
I'm with you 100% on this...
OK, he's Wells, all right. And he's got the ring!
That was a great hour of television.
I was thinking along those lines myself.
It's a great time for comic fans. I would have been totally floored by all that's going on in tv & movies, right now, when I was a kid.
I'm pretty much there now as an adult.
I was thinking along those lines myself.
It's a great time for comic fans. I would have been totally floored by all that's going on in tv & movies, right now, when I was a kid.
I'm pretty much there now as an adult.
Okay, I haven't seen every ep but decided to watch the midseason finale after seeing last week's crossover with Arrow.
So is yellow guy Wells? If so then who is the red guy from 14 years ago? And if Wells is the yellow guy, how did he beat himself up in the containment field?
So is yellow guy Wells? If so then who is the red guy from 14 years ago? And if Wells is the yellow guy, how did he beat himself up in the containment field?
It involves time travel. It was future Barry trying to stop his mother's murder.
The final scene with Wells has to be a red herring. Him being the Reverse Flash is just far too easy an answer.
Did anybody else squeal with delight when they saw the ring? This show is just making this long time Flash fan giddy with delight every week.
Did anybody else squeal with delight when they saw the ring? This show is just making this long time Flash fan giddy with delight every week.
The Reverse Flash and the ring were giddy-inducing for comics fans, but for '90 show fans, we got both John Wesley Shipp and Amanda Pays in the same episode! And some big developments in the storyline for people who are just watching for the show itself. A pretty big episode all around.
I would not necessarily call it a red herring. It more complicated than him simply being the Reverse Flash. Wells was seemingly attacked by himself. That was clearly presented.
Real question - Did the present Wells kill Barry's mother(in his past) or will a future, older Wells eventually travel back in time to do it. Leading to Barry trying to change history.
Real question - Did the present Wells kill Barry's mother(in his past) or will a future, older Wells eventually travel back in time to do it. Leading to Barry trying to change history.
Clearly Tina was setup for more appearances. I would love it if once Wells is exposed and/or defeated that she buys out Star Labs and starts running it.
"Yellow" Herring.
Zoom is in the cage, he goes out of the cage, picks up Wells, take him back into the cage, beats him to a pulp inside the cage, which forces everyone to break open the cage so that the reverse Flash can escape from a cage that is already not holding him...
Um.
On the issue of it being "too easy" the defence would like to ad "Missy" from the last season of Doctor Who to the evidence.
I'm going to say that Wells is old Zoom, who lost his powers and got stranded in the past, and is now trying to reclaim his abilities and return back to the distant Future, which is a recognizable future.
One version of the Reverse Flash didn't run fast. He sped up, slowed down or reversed time to impersonate the abilities of a super speedster, which is something you can probably do with a glot of tachyons.
Welcome to the party JanewayRulz! Until this episode we did not know who Wells was or who the reverse Flash was, or that they were the same person, and they still might not be if the producers want to torment us.
In the comics the Reverse Flash is from the 25th century and killed the Flash's wife Iris, but we have no idea if the same is true on the TV show, even though Wells has a time machine in his basement and his full name is probably H. G. Wells.
Zoom is in the cage, he goes out of the cage, picks up Wells, take him back into the cage, beats him to a pulp inside the cage, which forces everyone to break open the cage so that the reverse Flash can escape from a cage that is already not holding him...
Um.
On the issue of it being "too easy" the defence would like to ad "Missy" from the last season of Doctor Who to the evidence.
I'm going to say that Wells is old Zoom, who lost his powers and got stranded in the past, and is now trying to reclaim his abilities and return back to the distant Future, which is a recognizable future.
One version of the Reverse Flash didn't run fast. He sped up, slowed down or reversed time to impersonate the abilities of a super speedster, which is something you can probably do with a glot of tachyons.
Welcome to the party JanewayRulz! Until this episode we did not know who Wells was or who the reverse Flash was, or that they were the same person, and they still might not be if the producers want to torment us.
In the comics the Reverse Flash is from the 25th century and killed the Flash's wife Iris, but we have no idea if the same is true on the TV show, even though Wells has a time machine in his basement and his full name is probably H. G. Wells.
Makes a hell of an alibi, if you're a time traveler with a secret.
Oooh! That makes perfect sense! That might very well be what they're setting her up for! Wouldn't that be awesome? Amanda Pays's Tina McGee helping the Flash every week from STAR Labs, just like in the good old days! Although I don't think she'd be his love interest this time. But hey, maybe she and Henry could become an item...
I think we might all be "rushing" to a conclusion (sorry for the pun!). Yes, we see Wells with a Reverse Flash costume, but that doesn't necessarily make him the Reverse Flash. It's quite possible he's not the Reverse Flash, but for some reason is creating/aiding the Reverse Flash. He puts the device on the costume, for some reason, perhaps its a signal to bring Reverse Flash here through the time stream.
Which could make him more of a Hunter Zolomon Zoom character, doing whatever it takes to make Barry a better hero.
There's still the future newspaper of the Flash disappearing during a Crisis. Perhaps Wells is here to make sure Barry makes it through the Crisis. The Zolomon Zoom mentality was to force Wally to experience tragedy so he'd come out stronger/better for it. His motivation was simply to make Wally better, Wells' might be to ensure the future of our Earth/universe/multiverse.
We know there's time travel involved, based on the newspaper and Wells' "future room" (a phrase I'm coining based on my 10 year old son's naming of "end of show coda moments" as "future moments"). They also mentioned tachyons. I'm no scientist, but I've watched enough TV and read enough comics to know that tachyons are the sci-fi/comic-book writer's tool for explaining time travel, based on the belief that tachyons (a) move faster than light and (b) can be observed as moving backwards in time.
Then there's also The Reverse Flash's line about Barry already knowing who he is based on the previous times they met. I took this to mean that this Reverse Flash has met and faced off against Barry in (our) future. Add in Eddie Thawne, which, as has previously been stated is a variation of Eobard Thawne, the first Reverse Flash's name. He was a time traveler from the 25the century who traveled back in time to face off against Barry.
The red blur in the past could be Barry. I believe it was in Flash: Rebirth, as he tried to stop Thawne from killing his mother. The only way it could be Barry is if he time travels, though. But, then again, unless Wells has been the Reverse Flash this whole time, somehow getting his powers 20 years ago or earlier, the yellow blur has to be a time traveler also.
Anyway, I think there's more going on here than we suspect. Wells and the costume simply indicating he's the Reverse Flash seems a little too pat.
And, while I'm going off on theories, Firestorm told Caitlin he's not Ronnie. I actually believe him. I think Ronnie was vaporized, but merged with Martin Stein to regain a corporeal body. Therefore, he hasn't lost his memory and wasn't lying to Caitlin, but is actually telling the truth, adding to his confusion. He might have some of Ronnie's memories, enough to lead him to STAR and Caitlin. He might even have Ronnie's voice in his head, convincing him to go to check up on her, but then warning him away, because while he looks like Ronnie, he's actually Stein.
That would explain how they're both wearing the same outfit, albeit with Stein's being undamaged and Ronnie's being burnt:
While we did see him fly, which I comment on earlier (my 10 year old asked if I was okay, it was hard to explain that not only was I okay, I was ecstatic), we haven't seen him demonstrate any molecular rearrangement, yet. Hopefully, we will in the future, otherwise, he's going to seem like a Human Torch knock-off (given that their version of Girder seemed reminiscent of Agents of Shield's Absorbing Man, I'd rather not have another character on the show be too similar to a Marvel character, even if Marvel Studios doesn't own the rights to this one!).
Which could make him more of a Hunter Zolomon Zoom character, doing whatever it takes to make Barry a better hero.
There's still the future newspaper of the Flash disappearing during a Crisis. Perhaps Wells is here to make sure Barry makes it through the Crisis. The Zolomon Zoom mentality was to force Wally to experience tragedy so he'd come out stronger/better for it. His motivation was simply to make Wally better, Wells' might be to ensure the future of our Earth/universe/multiverse.
We know there's time travel involved, based on the newspaper and Wells' "future room" (a phrase I'm coining based on my 10 year old son's naming of "end of show coda moments" as "future moments"). They also mentioned tachyons. I'm no scientist, but I've watched enough TV and read enough comics to know that tachyons are the sci-fi/comic-book writer's tool for explaining time travel, based on the belief that tachyons (a) move faster than light and (b) can be observed as moving backwards in time.
Then there's also The Reverse Flash's line about Barry already knowing who he is based on the previous times they met. I took this to mean that this Reverse Flash has met and faced off against Barry in (our) future. Add in Eddie Thawne, which, as has previously been stated is a variation of Eobard Thawne, the first Reverse Flash's name. He was a time traveler from the 25the century who traveled back in time to face off against Barry.
The red blur in the past could be Barry. I believe it was in Flash: Rebirth, as he tried to stop Thawne from killing his mother. The only way it could be Barry is if he time travels, though. But, then again, unless Wells has been the Reverse Flash this whole time, somehow getting his powers 20 years ago or earlier, the yellow blur has to be a time traveler also.
Anyway, I think there's more going on here than we suspect. Wells and the costume simply indicating he's the Reverse Flash seems a little too pat.
And, while I'm going off on theories, Firestorm told Caitlin he's not Ronnie. I actually believe him. I think Ronnie was vaporized, but merged with Martin Stein to regain a corporeal body. Therefore, he hasn't lost his memory and wasn't lying to Caitlin, but is actually telling the truth, adding to his confusion. He might have some of Ronnie's memories, enough to lead him to STAR and Caitlin. He might even have Ronnie's voice in his head, convincing him to go to check up on her, but then warning him away, because while he looks like Ronnie, he's actually Stein.
That would explain how they're both wearing the same outfit, albeit with Stein's being undamaged and Ronnie's being burnt:
While we did see him fly, which I comment on earlier (my 10 year old asked if I was okay, it was hard to explain that not only was I okay, I was ecstatic), we haven't seen him demonstrate any molecular rearrangement, yet. Hopefully, we will in the future, otherwise, he's going to seem like a Human Torch knock-off (given that their version of Girder seemed reminiscent of Agents of Shield's Absorbing Man, I'd rather not have another character on the show be too similar to a Marvel character, even if Marvel Studios doesn't own the rights to this one!).
You should be.
Well, that's more a definition than a belief. Tachyons (from the Greek for "fast") are hypothetical particles that are defined by the property of only moving faster than light. They're what pop out of the equations of relativity if you enter a value for velocity that's greater than the speed of light. And if they did exist, if they could exist, then those equations say they would propagate backward in time. (Apparently, though I'm not sure of the math there; strictly speaking, their internal time flow would be an imaginary number, and I'm not sure how that translates to backward movement in time, but reputable physicists seem to think it would.) Naturally this has been appropriated by science fiction writers with varying levels of accuracy.
That's what I'm thinking.
Amell did say in an interview a while back that he'd been practicing his Victor Garber impression by watching Alias reruns, and his delivery here did have a definite Jack Bristow quality to it.
