The Flash - Season 1
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What would be the point of having them related at all, then?
Heck, Barry and Eddie could be 5th cousins twice removed.
^Exactly. From a story telling perspective, the only reason to have a time traveller from the future be related to someone (however distantly) in the "present" is so that relationship can be exploited in some way.
In this case the most obvious scenario in this case would be the classic grandfather paradox. Doesn't matter how distant an ancestor he is, so long as he is an ancestor, his death would erase or overwrite the traveller as we know him and create a paradox.
Having them be related but not having one be the ancestor of the other would be pointless. Doubly so considering the aforementioned ancestor is one point of a love triangle with the show's protagonist. It's safe to say his days are figuratively numbered (also literally: because time travel!)
Of course there's no need for it. I'm just keeping an open mind.
That depends on what story they intend to tell. Just because you or I can't think of a reason, that doesn't mean no reason can exist. After all, good stories surprise us.
Well in the comics, Eobard Thawne is the descendant of Barry's twin brother.
Exactly. If the term had been "distant relation" instead, then the idea that actual ancestry needn't be involved would be tenable. But it wasn't, so it's not.
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As for this week's episode, I had a great many problems. But I liked all the Reverse Flash stuff and the crossover stuff.
My main problem stems from the question of when Barry is going to get caught on camera going super-speed out of costume. For example, he had no way of knowing the dash-cam on the police cruiser had been shot out. This problem has been ongoing, but I've finally had my fill of it.
Also, these people should be smart enough to be suspicious when their friends act funny while there's a known shape-shifter on the loose. And you'd think Caitlin would've used the serum on Everyman before transporting him in the back of Iris's car. Or, did she, but it wore off already?
I think the serum wasn't done being centrifuged yet when they captured Everyman. It was rather unclear, though.
No Caitlin said to fake-Barry that the centrifuge process was quick. So quick, fake-Barry could creep up on her when she turned around. It's just that the effects would be temporary. I doubt that they had an actual time frame they could pin down for its effectiveness.
Are we really not going to discuss the undeniable fact that for a moment there, Caitlin kissed "Barry" back?? What are we, a bunch of non-shipping males? It was sexual assault and totally wrong on The Everyman's part, of course, but at least he can see what Barry can't! Also loved her yelping "I knew it!" when The Everyman was revealed, to puzzled looks from Iris and Wells, plus the gratuitous slapping of real Barry. Was it for grossing her out, or for his not seeing what a meta freak could? Inquiring minds want to know! 
But the biggest laugh of the season might just be Caitlin's reaction to Ray and Felicity babbling about how great their sex life is: "Oh God, there's two of them!" Awesome echo of Ollie's epic "There's a real chance you two are related" jab!
(Oh, and pro tip: when you go to a strange house and ask for "Mrs. Bates"... well, it's only your dumb fault if you don't expect to find a guy masquerading as his maternal relative.
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But the biggest laugh of the season might just be Caitlin's reaction to Ray and Felicity babbling about how great their sex life is: "Oh God, there's two of them!" Awesome echo of Ollie's epic "There's a real chance you two are related" jab!
(Oh, and pro tip: when you go to a strange house and ask for "Mrs. Bates"... well, it's only your dumb fault if you don't expect to find a guy masquerading as his maternal relative.
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Are we really not going to discuss the undeniable fact that for a moment there, Caitlin kissed "Barry" back?? What are we, a bunch of non-shipping males? It was sexual assault and totally wrong on The Everyman's part, of course, but at least he can see what Barry can't! Also loved her yelping "I knew it!" when The Everyman was revealed, to puzzled looks from Iris and Wells, plus the gratuitous slapping of real Barry. Was it for grossing her out, or for his not seeing what a meta freak could? Inquiring minds want to know!
But the biggest laugh of the season might just be Caitlin's reaction to Ray and Felicity babbling about how great their sex life is: "Oh God, there's two of them!" Awesome echo of Ollie's epic "There's a real chance you two are related" jab!
(Oh, and pro tip: when you go to a strange house and ask for "Mrs. Bates"... well, it's only your dumb fault if you don't expect to find a guy masquerading as his maternal relative.
Well.. two young, attractive people working closely together.. and it's a CW show so you do the math
I am way behind on Arrow (stuck for ages at season 1 Ep 18) so i just read that Brandon Routh joined the Arrow team but he was hilarious (not usually a fan of him as i think he's a very mediocre actor).
But together with Felicity it was a blast and Caitlin's comment had me in stitches
The more handsome you are, the less sleazy you can be perceived.
(Above is not true, unless you know what perceived means.)
I don't think Grant is attractive, but then Caitlin thinks that Eddie is a dreamy sex god.
That's where her bar is set.
This is how I think it works.
PEOPLE (not just women) create fantasies about friends, acquaintances and co-workers where a sexual dalliance does take place, with the friends, acquaintances and co-workers they have deemed prospectably acceptable.
These fantasies are playbooks.
How-to guides.
Fanfcition.
But if you have a hundred of these dooms day scenarios in your head about how X will do Y to your Z when lamda crosses the path of sigma, what you've really got is a baited and set but unsprung rat trap.
200 specific rat traps in your mind that can only be tripped by a specific person that will then force a churning out of specific preordained serial consequences and results (like one of those old pick a path novels.).
You feel me?
There's a problem if you only have 200 rat traps in you mind, if there are close to a thousand people circling, thinking about making a grab for your cheese.
If you don't know what to do before they do what they do what they are going to do, of course there's going to be some bruised egoes, blackened eyes and babies, becuase that's just human nature.
(Above is not true, unless you know what perceived means.)
I don't think Grant is attractive, but then Caitlin thinks that Eddie is a dreamy sex god.
That's where her bar is set.
This is how I think it works.
PEOPLE (not just women) create fantasies about friends, acquaintances and co-workers where a sexual dalliance does take place, with the friends, acquaintances and co-workers they have deemed prospectably acceptable.
These fantasies are playbooks.
How-to guides.
Fanfcition.
But if you have a hundred of these dooms day scenarios in your head about how X will do Y to your Z when lamda crosses the path of sigma, what you've really got is a baited and set but unsprung rat trap.
200 specific rat traps in your mind that can only be tripped by a specific person that will then force a churning out of specific preordained serial consequences and results (like one of those old pick a path novels.).
You feel me?
There's a problem if you only have 200 rat traps in you mind, if there are close to a thousand people circling, thinking about making a grab for your cheese.
If you don't know what to do before they do what they do what they are going to do, of course there's going to be some bruised egoes, blackened eyes and babies, becuase that's just human nature.
I just watched this episode. I think that this was really the weakest episode of the series so far (but I am sure there was a weaker one before December...).
I have a few concerns or nitpicks about this episode that maybe some people can address:
1. Now that Everyman has become the Flash doesn't this mean that he can reveal the Flash's identity?
2. The STAR Labs prison has always bothered me but how can Everyman be held in the STAR Lab prison this time when the police know that the Flash caught him. Won't the police actually want Everyman to be taken into their custody? If not, they certainly seem pretty glib about the Flash just taking their suspect away. And it must have been the Flash who took the suspect otherwise the security cameras would have picked up whoever did.
3. It must be just me, but Caitlin in this episode, gave me the impression that she has known at least something about Wells since the start. I would not be surprised if she were actually concealing her Frost powers and joins forces with Wells before the end of the season.
4. So Captain Lance just gives away the body from a fifteen year old murder to Joe and Cisco? WTF? How did that idea ever get beyond the first draft? It was like they realized they didn't have enough time in the episode to have Barry steal the body or Laurel arrange some secret way to move the body under the radar. It is not in Lance's personality to just let them take the corpse and no officer would ever actually ask that of another anyway --unless they were crooked.
I have a few concerns or nitpicks about this episode that maybe some people can address:
1. Now that Everyman has become the Flash doesn't this mean that he can reveal the Flash's identity?
2. The STAR Labs prison has always bothered me but how can Everyman be held in the STAR Lab prison this time when the police know that the Flash caught him. Won't the police actually want Everyman to be taken into their custody? If not, they certainly seem pretty glib about the Flash just taking their suspect away. And it must have been the Flash who took the suspect otherwise the security cameras would have picked up whoever did.
3. It must be just me, but Caitlin in this episode, gave me the impression that she has known at least something about Wells since the start. I would not be surprised if she were actually concealing her Frost powers and joins forces with Wells before the end of the season.
4. So Captain Lance just gives away the body from a fifteen year old murder to Joe and Cisco? WTF? How did that idea ever get beyond the first draft? It was like they realized they didn't have enough time in the episode to have Barry steal the body or Laurel arrange some secret way to move the body under the radar. It is not in Lance's personality to just let them take the corpse and no officer would ever actually ask that of another anyway --unless they were crooked.
Now that the law seems to have been brought up to speed somewhat on the metahuman phenomenon, I'm hoping that they address the secret illegal prison issue.
Anyone else get the vibe that maybe the D.A. chick might become Barry's new love interest?
Anyone else get the vibe that maybe the D.A. chick might become Barry's new love interest?
Only if he looks in a mirror and takes the mask off. Given that he can't remember his original appearance, there seems to be a limit on how long he retains the memory of a given appearance.
Although, of course, there's no guarantee that looking in a mirror would help him...
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qy4EIvvVj4[/yt]
(And yes, I know he changed into Barry too, so he would know. I just couldn't resist posting that.)
Since the DA acknowledged that the existing system can't handle metahuman criminals, I can see her being tolerant of an alternative means of confinement as a necessary stopgap before a more permanent, ethical solution is devised. As I said, I expect to see more cooperation between STAR and the justice system following this.
Joe just wanted the discovery of the body kept confidential and out of the press, because if word got out, it could cost innocent lives. The police keep secrets for public safety all the time, like undercover investigations, witness protection, etc. So I figure there must've been some legitimate procedure that Joe and Quentin followed to arrange for the transfer of the body without publicity.
Also, I have no idea if the american legal system works that way, but if Joe is investigating the murder case of Wells, wouldn't if be in his jurisdiction to decide on the the course of action?
How would this work in real life if some cop investigating a case stumbles over a previously undiscovered corpse linked to his investigation that is also the result of a 15 years old closed case?
How would this work in real life if some cop investigating a case stumbles over a previously undiscovered corpse linked to his investigation that is also the result of a 15 years old closed case?
I remember laughing out loud at that scene. I like the theory that maybe Everyman only has a limited memory of the people he changes into, which would explain why we don't really see many faces other than those he touches in this episode.
I agree that it looks like we are going to see the development of a "super-prison" like we see in comics. The question is though is what did she think happened to the suspect? She has to prosecute him after all. If she just thinks he escaped that she should be more concerned about finding him.
I should go back and watch that scene again but it seemed to me that Joe was asking Quentin not to tell anybody, not just the press. If he just wanted the press not to know than he just says that this is a sensitive case and we need to keep it out of the press for now, not the "this will endanger us all" line he says.
EDIT: I looked up this character as I wasn't familiar with him from the comics. It turns out the comics version needs to eat a sample of a person's DNA before being able to change (eeewwww). Also, apparently Hannibal Bates was on Ollie's hitlist as well. I wonder who he was before the accident. Here is the wikipedia write-up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everyman_(DC_Comics)
How could you successful prosecute any of these people after they have been illegally detained without access to their families, lawyers or any right of appeal - oh and the cells are little glass boxes and the prisoners have no access to natural daylight? Even worse if the DA gives the nod opening up the state to multi-million dollar lawsuits.
Who would make a credible witness? The guys illegally holding them who would each be looking at decades inside themselves?
Every single one of these guys would walk.
(What's really weird is that CW have a tumblr where Cisco talks about running the prison making it sound even more inhumane even though it's clearly meant to be funny - upto and including him sexually harassing the inmates. ).
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In this case though there's no closed case and for all appearances Wells is alive and well and living in Central City. But there's no statue of limitations on a murder case unless it is a closed case, there needs to be a very good reason to reopen the investigation.
