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The First Trailer

I like it when places, characters, ships, etc. that we care about meet sudden and shocking demises. It deconstructs and subverts our hopes and expectations. Fiction should challenge our comfort levels.

Kor
 
Then it was "organic" for the flagship to get blown up by an antiquated Bird of Prey in Generations?

1. It had no crew and running on a rigged automation system.

2. It had extensive battle damage.

3. It was being decommissioned anyway. Better to go out like it did than being scrapped.

Sorry missed the Generations part.

And yes Generations was lame.
 
I like it when places, characters, ships, etc. that we care about meet sudden and shocking demises. It deconstructs and subverts our hopes and expectations. Fiction should challenge our comfort levels.

Kor

There also needs to be a sense of danger in a drama.
 
I like it when places, characters, ships, etc. that we care about meet sudden and shocking demises. It deconstructs and subverts our hopes and expectations. Fiction should challenge our comfort levels.

Kor

There also needs to be a sense of danger in a drama.

e.g. "Psycho" & Janet Leigh

And in the movies, you don't have to worry about a character needing to appear in next week's episode. So a true feeling of "this may not work out so well for our hero" can be created. Of course, it being SF, you can sometimes have the best of both worlds. Kill someone off, but have an out in it. Except, of course, for Kirk in GEN (sorry, Bill).

When McLean Stevenson announced he was leaving "M*A*S*H", I remember how shocking it was when the producers actually killed off Henry Blake. It even surprised the cast. Nothing like that had been done to a popular and major character, before. The producers decided it was the right thing to do because it made the statement that not everyone like the Henry Blake's of the world made it home from Korea alive. I will admit it's become a bit trite these days, with teasers for TV shows even touting that some major character won't make it through the episode.
 
I like it when places, characters, ships, etc. that we care about meet sudden and shocking demises. It deconstructs and subverts our hopes and expectations. Fiction should challenge our comfort levels.

I think we're at a point where the Enterprise not getting destroyed(or severely damaged) would be subverting expectations...
 
In big time blockbusters, the stakes have to be high and no one or no thing should be safe.
Ask Han Solo. ;)

And clearly that movie is a bomb that no one likes.

In the case of the new Star Wars movie, the film itself seemed to be serving several purposes: first, it was a remake. They took several plot points, ideas and hints from the three originals and mashed them together. Second, it was a sequel. They brought in the originals and have the new characters connected to them. Third, it's a reboot. The old characters who remain will serve a new role in the upcoming films and we'll get something completely different for the next one. But the first two (remake and sequel) served to set the tone for this film and the next (I hope). These new films will feel familiar and will be like the original trilogy in tone rather than the prequels or something totally different. All of that was important to make the film hugely successful. So I think everything they did to put together a relatively cohesive plot, make it fun, interesting and dramatic WHILE STILL making it a reboot, sequel and remake wrapped into one, was worth it all, regardless of whether one feels it's "organic." It certainly felt organic to me. Borderline orgasmic even. :rommie:

I can't think of any other film that is simultaneously a remake, sequel and reboot. Maybe Crystal Skull? *shudder*
 
I can't think of any other film that is simultaneously a remake, sequel and reboot. Maybe Crystal Skull? *shudder*

From this year alone Jurassic World, and arguably Terminator Genisys, fit that description.
 
Haven't seen the new Terminator. Any good?

I found it entertaining enough as long as you don't much care for a coherent story, but then I like Arnie in pretty much anything.

Most critics and the internet seem to poop on it though.
 
I can't think of any other film that is simultaneously a remake, sequel and reboot. Maybe Crystal Skull? *shudder*

From this year alone Jurassic World, and arguably Terminator Genisys, fit that description.

From what I hear: Creed was a remake (of the first Rocky film) a sequel (to the Rocky series) and a reboot (for a new franchise). I also hear that Creed was an awesome movie.


That's right, Jurassic World! Haven't seen the new Terminator. Any good?

Sam Worthington's brother, Jai Courtney, didn't add anything to the film. A Michael Biehn-like actor was sorely needed, and one who had chemistry with Emilia Clarke (who was 'okay' herself). And I thought Arnold did okay with what he was given.

Overall, the film could have been a bit more tighter. I the T-1000 sequence didn't need to be there, and the film went on too long with the 'Genysis' half of the film.

There was a sense that the series has run its course. It definitely was better than Terminator: Salvation (with Sam Worthington) and more action packed and energetic than T-3...but the franchise seems stale.
 
It's a godawfully fanfic like plot with everyone other than two returning actors, Arnie being one, being so horribly miscast it was like they were trying to burn money and braincells at the same rate.

Other than that it's actually mildly entertaining. Ish.
 
It's a godawfully fanfic like plot with everyone other than two returning actors, Arnie being one, being so horribly miscast it was like they were trying to burn money and braincells at the same rate.

Other than that it's actually mildly entertaining. Ish.

Indeed...;)
 
Just watched the trailer for the umpteenth time. I went from not really liking it the first time I saw the horribly dubbed German versions (sorry, but those German voices just don't work at all) to kind of enjoying it to loving it now. It just looks like a fresh new take on the new versions of those characters. It will be exciting to see if Pegg, Lin & Co. actually manage to make the third outing the most original and enjoyable one.

I must say, however, the most interesting aspect of the whole thing – at least for me – is Sofia Boutella's Jaylah! I think as a character she just looks and feels awesome! I honestly don't understand why there isn't already a Jaylah appreciation thread going on here. I think she has great potential to be one of the coolest and most memorable characters in all of Trek.

So in short, I'm psyched. Bring on the next trailer!
 
Pine isn't the first Kirk on a motorcycle after all!
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