Exactly. It's just as much a fallacy to claim Trek is all action as it is to claim it's all philosophy. At the best of times it has both and they both serve the plot. Too bad we haven't seen that yet from the new films.
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Exactly. It's just as much a fallacy to claim Trek is all action as it is to claim it's all philosophy. At the best of times it has both and they both serve the plot. Too bad we haven't seen that yet from the new films.
I agree that it is fallacious to say Trek is "all action" as it is to say it is "all philosophy." TOS was certainly conceived with both in mind.
I know this is a controversial topic, but I have found as much philosophy in the new films as some episodes of TOS. However, it doesn't feel as on the nose as some (like "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield") but still present to be unpacked.
I actually liked a comment that Pegg made in an interview (in another thread) that if you don't connect with the characters, for whatever reason, then its hard to care about them and what they are going through.
I know that's true because there are many films that I don't identify with the characters, and do not care for them as much as others that I know. "Fight Club" is the perfect example of that for me.
I think Lin will bring an interesting touch to this film.
"Real Star Trek" can mean totally different things to different people. To me, when Picard and co. snobbishly look down their noses and give insulting holier-than-thou lectures to the aliens they meet every single week, that isn't "real Star Trek."
The writer's guide for the original and true Star Trek series said to "Build your episode on an action-adventure framework." With regard to social commentary and whatnot, the writer's guide also said "Yes, we want you to have something to say, but say it entertainingly as you do on any other show. We don't need essays, however brilliant."
I think the NuTrek movies reflect that storytelling approach just fine.
Kor
The writer's guide for the original and true Star Trek series said to "Build your episode on an action-adventure framework." With regard to social commentary and whatnot, the writer's guide also said "Yes, we want you to have something to say, but say it entertainingly as you do on any other show. We don't need essays, however brilliant."
I think the NuTrek movies reflect that storytelling approach just fine.
Kor
Data as the Silver Surfer would search for a world for Galactus to munch by singing the Life Form Song.
Just "Star Trek" constructed by a different generation of creative people. Just like the Abrams films is "Star Trek" constructed by a different generation of people. If it was just like what came 10, 20 or 50 years ago, I'd have no need to see it.
There is a whole shitload of people that seem to want to forget that part of Trek's history. They want the essays!
They also all involve Earth to a huge degree.
Ha. There must be two shows people are referring to as TNG then. I certainly don't remember that happening every week.
The new Trek writers seem to have forgotten all about that oh so important message element in that writer's guide. Unless the message was: be a unqualified snotty prick and you'll be rewarded with command of a ship.
Kirk did not want to take command of the Enterprise in The Wrath of Khan until Spock convinced him to do so in the conversation they had in Spock's quarters, in which Spock told Kirk it was his 'first best destiny':
SPOCK: As with all living things, each according to his gifts. Of course, the ship is yours.
KIRK: No, that won't be necessary, just get me to Regula I.
SPOCK: As a teacher on a training mission, I am content to command the Enterprise. If we are to go on actual duty, it is clear that the senior officer on board must assume command.
KIRK: It may be nothing, ...garbled communications. You take the ship.
SPOCK: Jim, you proceed from a false assumption. I am a Vulcan. I have no ego to bruise.
KIRK (OC): You're about to remind me that logic alone dictates your actions.
SPOCK: I would not remind you of that which you know so well. If I may be so bold, it was a mistake for you to accept promotion. Commanding a starship is your first best destiny. Anything else is a waste of material.
It DOES doesn't it?
There's CLEARLY some funky time travel shit going on here, and the storyline probably won't be surprising (it's likely a rehash of "Children of Time" with a sprinkling of "City on the Edge" and maybe a dash of "Gamesters of Triskellion"). It's pretty obvious that the basic outline is "Enterprise runs into an unstoppable force, gets destroyed, aliens turn out to be time travelers who destroyed the Enterprise because it's the source of their future problems, Team Kirk has to save the Enterprise AND undo future problem."
Ohhhh this is going to be FUN!!
Into Darkness brings up and frowns upon drone warfare and executing a criminal without trial. It also points out that we shouldn't lose sight of our ideals when faced with adversity.
But keep on with the incorrect narrative if it helps you sleep at night.
Have we been watching the same trailer?
I didn't really infer anything about time travel from the teaser trailer.
Perhaps there was something in one of the interviews?
To me, ST09 said a lot about personal development. At first, Kirk was basically a loser who was content with getting in and out of trouble and doing nothing meaningful and worthwhile, despite high intelligence and great potential. I've known plenty of people like that in real life.
Kor
Perhaps there was something in one of the interviews?
To me, ST09 said a lot about personal development. At first, Kirk was basically a loser who was content with getting in and out of trouble and doing nothing meaningful and worthwhile, despite high intelligence and great potential. I've known plenty of people like that in real life.
Kor
I don't think that highly of Into Darkness -- I definitely think it's one of the weaker Trek movies. But one thing I appreciate about it is that it has an entire arc calling out nuKirk's arrogance. He was chewed out by his superior. He lost that command. He was demoted. He only got the ship back because he was a pawn in someone else's conspiracy. He slowly and gradually learned to be less impulsive. He got his senior officers to focus on the away mission at hand. He learned the difference between vengeance and justice. He apologized to the crew for his failings. He put his life on the line, and technically he sacrificed his life to save the crew. Kirk's arc acted as an indictment of all those complaints from ST09. People forget that only because they were snapped out of the movie by an internet meme.
There are four things that strongly lead me to think so
#1: Kirk's motorcycle
Yes, it's an actual MOTORCYLE. Not, it seems to me, an alien contraption made up to look like one. Since it's unlikely that Kirk packed such a thing on the Enterprise with him, let alone managed to pack one on the escape pod when he abandoned ship, he probably got it from Earth -- or some alternate version of it -- some time in the 2010s.
#2: The beginning of the trailer. "Is that music?" This strikes me as another thing Kirk probably wouldn't have brought with him on the Enterprise -- or have a reason to be playing right now -- just for the hell of it, so the song is probably playing on the radio. The ship/room/bunker they're in when he says this has the look of being cobbled together from spare parts, so I'm guessing it's probably a time pod or something (build from salvaged parts of the Enterprise and an alien time engine they captured using their alien friend's help).
#3: The city with the voiceover "This is where it begins" is pretty definitely an EARTH city, and it's being attacked by the same flying things that were threatening McCoy and Spock. There's also the later line "This is where the frontier pushes back" strongly implying that somebody out there is trying to undo Federation expansion into their region of space (or expansion in general). The only real way to do that is retroactively, hence time travel.
#4: Some of the fight scenes with the Big Bad (Idris Elba?) take place on the Enterprise WHILE IT'S BEING DESTROYED. That suggests either the destruction of the Enterprise takes place relatively late in the movie (which is very unlikely since this entire trailer would be a ridiculous spoiler) or Kirk and Crew managed to time travel back to the moment the Enterprise was destroyed in order to prevent the ship's destruction, only to be intercepted by the bad guy in the middle of the rescue attempt and having to fight off him AND his badguy swarm at the same time.
Also: the total destruction of the Enterprise almost always results in some kind of time travel adventure. That's, like, a rule or something.
I could be wrong, of course... just placing my bets
#1: Kirk's motorcycle
Yes, it's an actual MOTORCYLE. Not, it seems to me, an alien contraption made up to look like one. Since it's unlikely that Kirk packed such a thing on the Enterprise with him, let alone managed to pack one on the escape pod when he abandoned ship, he probably got it from Earth -- or some alternate version of it -- some time in the 2010s.
#2: The beginning of the trailer. "Is that music?" This strikes me as another thing Kirk probably wouldn't have brought with him on the Enterprise -- or have a reason to be playing right now -- just for the hell of it, so the song is probably playing on the radio. The ship/room/bunker they're in when he says this has the look of being cobbled together from spare parts, so I'm guessing it's probably a time pod or something (build from salvaged parts of the Enterprise and an alien time engine they captured using their alien friend's help).
#3: The city with the voiceover "This is where it begins" is pretty definitely an EARTH city, and it's being attacked by the same flying things that were threatening McCoy and Spock. There's also the later line "This is where the frontier pushes back" strongly implying that somebody out there is trying to undo Federation expansion into their region of space (or expansion in general). The only real way to do that is retroactively, hence time travel.
#4: Some of the fight scenes with the Big Bad (Idris Elba?) take place on the Enterprise WHILE IT'S BEING DESTROYED. That suggests either the destruction of the Enterprise takes place relatively late in the movie (which is very unlikely since this entire trailer would be a ridiculous spoiler) or Kirk and Crew managed to time travel back to the moment the Enterprise was destroyed in order to prevent the ship's destruction, only to be intercepted by the bad guy in the middle of the rescue attempt and having to fight off him AND his badguy swarm at the same time.
Also: the total destruction of the Enterprise almost always results in some kind of time travel adventure. That's, like, a rule or something.
I could be wrong, of course... just placing my bets
I think you mean "probability." I'm sure I'm wrong about quite a few things (it's early still!) but I will be VERY surprised if time travel has nothing to do with this one.
And in "The Voyage Home"
And in "Generations"
And in "First Contact" (fancy that, two in a row!)
TNG did this half a dozen times, the first of which was "Time Squared" and then with the loopback thing with "Cause and Effect" and then somewhat differently (and IMO hilariously) in "Timescape." DS9 did this a couple of times too, and so did Voyager. In Enterprise we had "E Squared" and that episode where the Xindi destroyed Earth and killed everyone.
And even in "City on the Edge of Forever" we have the Enterprise accidentally having its existence negated when McCoy goes through the guardian and saves Edith Keeler.
So yeah, Time travel is something Star Trek does ALOT. And blowing up the Enterprise is usually involved.
Picard had a dune buggy on the Enterprise E. Real-life armed forces have motorcycles, jeeps, etc. for use on land. It just makes sense to have something like this stored somewhere on a starship. I don't see why so many people are hung up on this.
Are wheels not futuristic enough? Would it maybe be better if it was some kind of hover-vehicle like in Star Wars?
(And yes, Starfleet is the Federation's military)
Kor
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