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The film's timeline (no spoilers please)

Eddie Roth

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I just wondered, with all the talk about changing events, alternate timelines and so forth.... When exactly is the movie even taking place?

I assume the moment we saw in the teaser of Kirk taking command is happening while he is a cadet on the ship under Pike. His first officer being Spock I assume. Not Number One. So could we speculate that the film is set some years after "The Cage", Number One has left, Spock has ascended to First Officer while Pike is still commanding? And it's shortly before the time when Kirk was originally supposed to have taken over command, except this time it happens in a different way because Kirk's youth took a slightly different path than in the original timeline?

Am I making sense?
Is this even important? :lol:

But I was just thinking about that... Oh, and please, no major spoilers here!
 
If Kirk's mother is almost to term and the film takes place in the prime time line until the appearance of the Narada then the attack occurs near the 22nd of March 2233. If Kirk is now 18 when Pike urges him to join the Academy (the typical admittance age) then the film would have the bar fight in 2251.

The Enterprise in the prime time line was launched 2245 according to non-canon sources but she was definitely under Pikes command in 2254. In this universe Pike is Captain but the Enterprise is not even launched in 2251 when Kirk sees her.

If he was graduating around the time of the attack then its 2255, if not and only second or third year then the film takes place around 2253-2255. Edited twice now, time travel gives me a headache.
 
Part of the problem with completely ditching Robert April in this timeline is that you completely screw things up. Once the Kelvin is attacked during the "Depression Era" (2233 or therabouts), the timeline is supposed to have been altered. However, who then supervises the construction and first captaincy of Enterprise. Pike? He comes along during Trek's "Elvis" Era (the Fifties), and that's part of the cognitive dissonance of this story.

They are wearing Sixties uniforms in the Fifties era. It's important for people to understand that the 2260's Trek Characters that we know are being set back in time ten to eleven years because of the timeline shift. Me? I would have preferred updated "Cage" era uniforms to acknowledge this shift.

This story occurs, imho, coincidental with the visit to Talos IV (a plot point not altered by the interference of Nero with the Kelvin, I believe....someone correct me if I'm wrong). The crash landing of the Columbia on Talos IV was in 2236. The E under Pike visited Talos IV in 2254.

Spock is still with the E, no Number One. Any sign of Veena?
 
It makes more sense to assume that Kirk decides to head off into the academy later than in the original time-line and that the Enterprise is constructed/launched later.
 
I would love to see a side by side by side comparison of timelines, one incorporating books, comics etc, one only with stuff that happened in tv and the movies, and now one with what we know so far of this new universe in the new film.

in other words, i'm really lazy, but i'd love to see that.
 
i dont know what you mean by no spoilers.
but to be aware the only things i mention are readily known by anyone who has seen the trailers.
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for all we know april is still around but he wasnt captain for very long.
heck if you go by the reference to her in search for spock enterprise wasnt that old.

we still dont have a reference to april except in tas so even if he wasnt around then it isnt a canon issue.

but this is how i see it.

the encounter with kirk in the bar is before or during the early construction of enterprise.

kirk watching enterprise being built is when he decides to join starfleet.

the events with kirk back on enterprise is several years later.
kirk is no longer a cadet but has returned to the academy as an instructor.
bones and pike both seemed to have aged.

it is after the events of the cage .
number one has promoted out spock is now first officer.
 
The film is obviously set at different time periods since we see Kirk as a young boy but in the trailer when we see Kirk on the bike looking at the Enterprises construction the year is 2245, obviously by the time McCoy, Spock and the rest are onboard the Enterprise it's probably been a few years since the Enterprise was launched, for those few years the Enterprise has been launched and under Pikes command Kirk and McCoy etc were probably at the academy.

So to make it easier to understand:

2245: Kirk etc join or are already at the Academy / The Enterprise is built at this time and is placed under the command of Pike.

2250+: McCoy etc are stationed aboard the Enterprise which is under the command of Pike and where Spock has already been made first officer because he completed the academy long before the others and made his way up the command chain.
Something happens and Kirk ends up taking over in Pike and Spocks absence and defeats Nero saving either Earth or Vulcan which eventually leads to him gaining command of the Enterprise.
 
from the line bones says in one of the trailers it sounds like he has been away from the academy and in space for awhile.
 
from the line bones says in one of the trailers it sounds like he has been away from the academy and in space for awhile.

ok so he got transferred. The fact remains that the Enterprise was launched in 2245 under the command of Pike and has probably been in space for years before Kirk and McCoy etc are put onboard it and they fight Nero.
 
Don't forget that this movie actually starts about a decade after 'Nemesis', so roughly 2389. Then Spock and Nero both travel back (maybe to different years, it's hard to know yet) to the 23rd century. We know for sure that Nero and his ship arrive right as James T. Kirk is born. There have been a lot of reports that things skip forward a few times, from the Kelvin's destruction to probably when Kirk as a kid steals? that car from the first trailer. Then it likely moves forward again to when he gets into the bar fight and meets Pike. After that I'm sure we see him at the Academy for awhile.
 
What I want to know is, what happened during the time Nero attacked the Kelvin, and an older Kirk on board the Enterprise. What did Nero do during all that time between Kirk being a baby and grown?
 
What I want to know is, what happened during the time Nero attacked the Kelvin, and an older Kirk on board the Enterprise. What did Nero do during all that time between Kirk being a baby and grown?

Rebuilding his planet destroying weapon after it gets destroyed during battle with the Kelvin? Nero is now in the 23rd century with no power base and limited ways and resources to fix his probably damaged or destroyed ship. Perhaps the temporal vortex prevents him from having shields which is how he takes heavy damage from the Kelvin.
 
A couple of things that come to mind:

1. Kirk is not 18 years old in this timeline when Pike asks him to join Starfleet, correct? He's been knocking around Riverside, doing the Mel's Diner thing, hanging with the Pharoah's gang and whatnot (or their distant lineal descendants), while he figures out what to do. He can't impress Lt. Uhura by remaining as White Trash in the Riverside Trailer Court, so he decides to win Nyota's heart by becoming a Starship Captain.

And who wouldn't want to get out of the Riverside Trailer Court. Although, it should be pointed out, Trailer Park Tech has made improvements by the late 2230's, when young, alienated, but brilliant Jimmy Kirk was living with Uncle Wino here....

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The boyhood home of James T. Kirk. Emmet Kelly, the Saddest Clown, lived on one of the bottom trailers. Kirk lived up top with Uncle Wino and they ran a bordello together. The narrator from Aqualung lived in the little orange trailer. They say the resurrected Jackie Gleason dropped by often, looking for whiskey...

2. Yes, btw, I think that JJ is going to attempt to make a smarmy romantic connection between Kirk and Uhura during this trilogy to go after the 16-35 female demographic, but that's another thread.
 
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Purely speculating- I think that Kirk takes command in this film during an emergency, not permanently. If he leaves the Enterprise at the end of the film to get more experience, that would allow he events of "The Cage" as well as the stuff on the Farragut to happen between the films. This way, the sequel can be about Kirk taking "proper" command for the first time. Just seems like a good way to resolve all this.
 
The film is obviously set at different time periods since we see Kirk as a young boy but in the trailer when we see Kirk on the bike looking at the Enterprises construction the year is 2245, obviously by the time McCoy, Spock and the rest are onboard the Enterprise it's probably been a few years since the Enterprise was launched, for those few years the Enterprise has been launched and under Pikes command Kirk and McCoy etc were probably at the academy.

So to make it easier to understand:

2245: Kirk etc join or are already at the Academy / The Enterprise is built at this time and is placed under the command of Pike.

Unlikely. IF Orci was faithful to Kirk's largely accepted birthdate of March 22nd, 2233, then he would have been all of 12 years old in 2245. Kirk would not be 18 until 2251. If he is the "late bloomer" the film is supposed to make him out to be, then he might not have graduated Academy until 2260 or therabouts, making a "Sixties" Star Trek much more likely than I previously thought.
2250+: McCoy etc are stationed aboard the Enterprise which is under the command of Pike and where Spock has already been made first officer because he completed the academy long before the others and made his way up the command chain.
Something happens and Kirk ends up taking over in Pike and Spocks absence and defeats Nero saving either Earth or Vulcan which eventually leads to him gaining command of the Enterprise.

The problem lies in the coincidence of the attack on the Kelvin being coincident with Kirk's birth. If Kirk's birth is still in 2233 (March or whenever), he isn't 18 until 2251.

Only then do we consider when he went to Starfleet Academy. If he doesn't graduate until, say, 2257 or 2259, how can we consider this episode to be anywhere coincident with the early 2250's (or "Cage") era?

The answer is that I don't believe we can. The story takes place, imho, much closer to 2260 or therabouts, towards the end of Pike's command. This allows "The Cage" to have happened. This also allows the Kelvin Incident to have taken place in the relative past (the 2230's-similar to the distance in time between the depths of the Great Depression and the Inauguration of Kennedy).

This would also explain the Go Go Uniforms of the crew, as well. The only thing that disappoints me is the lack of beehive hairdos on the women.

Lastly, this also allows Kirk to save Pike, transfer off and serve on the Farragut or the Republic, then return in 2264 to the Big E as a young prodigy captain. In the U.S. Navy, you serve literally years in command positions, getting your ticket punched so you can get a surface fleet billet.

Starfleet would be similar. Shmoes like Riker who stay in one position for ten years end up going nowhere because all of the hard drivers. They got their tickets punched and got their captaincies while William was putting on his Grecian Formula to impress his Betazoid Girlfriend.

Apparently, in this story, what Kirk will do will be to take over command of the E under duress as a young, unwashed lad and skipper her brilliantly while no Captain or XO are about. This will get the young laddie noticed by Fleet Operations and the dreaded Promotion Board.
 
The Enterprise in the prime time line was launched 2245 according to non-canon sources but she was definitely under Pikes command in 2254. In this universe Pike is Captain but the Enterprise is not even launched in 2251 when Kirk sees her.

If he was graduating around the time of the attack then its 2255, if not and only second or third year then the film takes place around 2253-2255.


I seem to recall reading Orci quoted as saying that most of the film takes place about 25 years after the Kelvin incident, which would place it roughly around 2257, if they don't tinker with the year that Kirk is born. The thing of it is, if this is indeed the year that the large portion of the movie's events occur, and the Big E is just getting launched, then I honestly think the Talos IV event has no bearing in this universe (or restructured timeline).

And if Kirk isn't posted to another ship (either the Farragut or Republic) but made captain of the E in this film, then the timeline is indeed running a wee bit ahead of schedule.

Plus I'm still trying to reconcile Scotty's comment about Admiral Archer's beagle.

Time-travel does indeed give one a massive headache.
 
The film is obviously set at different time periods since we see Kirk as a young boy but in the trailer when we see Kirk on the bike looking at the Enterprises construction the year is 2245, obviously by the time McCoy, Spock and the rest are onboard the Enterprise it's probably been a few years since the Enterprise was launched, for those few years the Enterprise has been launched and under Pikes command Kirk and McCoy etc were probably at the academy.

So to make it easier to understand:

2245: Kirk etc join or are already at the Academy / The Enterprise is built at this time and is placed under the command of Pike.

Unlikely. IF Orci was faithful to Kirk's largely accepted birthdate of March 22nd, 2233, then he would have been all of 12 years old in 2245. Kirk would not be 18 until 2251. If he is the "late bloomer" the film is supposed to make him out to be, then he might not have graduated Academy until 2260 or therabouts, making a "Sixties" Star Trek much more likely than I previously thought.
2250+: McCoy etc are stationed aboard the Enterprise which is under the command of Pike and where Spock has already been made first officer because he completed the academy long before the others and made his way up the command chain.
Something happens and Kirk ends up taking over in Pike and Spocks absence and defeats Nero saving either Earth or Vulcan which eventually leads to him gaining command of the Enterprise.

The problem lies in the coincidence of the attack on the Kelvin being coincident with Kirk's birth. If Kirk's birth is still in 2233 (March or whenever), he isn't 18 until 2251.

Only then do we consider when he went to Starfleet Academy. If he doesn't graduate until, say, 2257 or 2259, how can we consider this episode to be anywhere coincident with the early 2250's (or "Cage") era?

The answer is that I don't believe we can. The story takes place, imho, much closer to 2260 or therabouts, towards the end of Pike's command. This allows "The Cage" to have happened. This also allows the Kelvin Incident to have taken place in the relative past (the 2230's-similar to the distance in time between the depths of the Great Depression and the Inauguration of Kennedy).

This would also explain the Go Go Uniforms of the crew, as well. The only thing that disappoints me is the lack of beehive hairdos on the women.

Lastly, this also allows Kirk to save Pike, transfer off and serve on the Farragut or the Republic, then return in 2264 to the Big E as a young prodigy captain. In the U.S. Navy, you serve literally years in command positions, getting your ticket punched so you can get a surface fleet billet.

Starfleet would be similar. Shmoes like Riker who stay in one position for ten years end up going nowhere because all of the hard drivers. They got their tickets punched and got their captaincies while William was putting on his Grecian Formula to impress his Betazoid Girlfriend.

Apparently, in this story, what Kirk will do will be to take over command of the E under duress as a young, unwashed lad and skipper her brilliantly while no Captain or XO are about. This will get the young laddie noticed by Fleet Operations and the dreaded Promotion Board.


I think this is an excellent assessment of what the timeline's likely to be.

Plus I'm still trying to reconcile Scotty's comment about Admiral Archer's beagle.

The actual name Archer isn't mentioned, only an Admiral and a Beagle and an 'accident'.

Well, that's helpful. If there's no name then it's just a cute reference we don't have to give a lot of thought to.
 
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