The "Evil Earth"?

[Gil T.Azell]

In a Mirror, Darkly how could it exist?
The way that humans are portrayed in it , I would think that they would not have found a way to not annihilated themselves, there fore the Vulcan's would not have come to Earth, as Cochrane would most likely be dead along with the rest of humanity.

 

[Mach5]

Yeah, judging from what we've learned in Carbon Creek (that Vulcans kept an eye on humans long before 2063), it's a little hard to believe they would bother making contact with a bunch of savages (as Cochran & Co. have been portrayed in IaMD pt.1).

Unless they were all pretty peaceful up until then, but Cochran's recent dealings with those assholes from the future and those evil alien cyborgs suddenly made him xenophobic and violent.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The mirror Earth seemingly had the "Empire" as far back as the 1960's, judging by the moon landing seen on the intro. With one dominant power in the world, total destruction (as opposed to destruction of enemy powers and states) is less likely.

Then, somehow, it looks like WWIII (which reduced man to a state where they couldn't annihilate themselves) went pretty much the same in both timelines.

Yeah, it's shaky. But so is the idea that the Klingons got into space and made themselves a threat to anyone.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Yeah, judging from what we've learned in Carbon Creek (that Vulcans kept an eye on humans long before 2063), it's a little hard to believe they would bother making contact with a bunch of savages (as Cochran & Co. have been portrayed in IaMD pt.1).

I suppose you could argue that the Vulcans thought it was better to make contact now that the savages had the ability to enter the interstellar community. That way they could possibly control them somewhat. They probably didn't expect their representative to have his chest evacuated by the Earth "ambassador."

Either that, or the Vulcan captain was simply unfamiliar with Earth and humanity. From his point of view, they could have been a perfectly peaceful little species that just achieved faster-than-light travel.

 

[KNH]

That, or the vulcans that had been observing earth in Carbon Creek times had been found and eradicated in the Mirror Universe, and 100(ish) years of not communicating anything back to Vulcan prompted them to send the ship to earth we see Zeph and friends seize.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Or perhaps mirror Archer was right, and the Vulcans really *were* preparing an invasion force.

 

[xortex]

The evil guys are the good guys in disquise and the ones the evil guys are lying to you about.

 

[RandyS]

Yeah, judging from what we've learned in Carbon Creek (that Vulcans kept an eye on humans long before 2063), it's a little hard to believe they would bother making contact with a bunch of savages (as Cochran & Co. have been portrayed in IaMD pt.1).

Unless they were all pretty peaceful up until then, but Cochran's recent dealings with those assholes from the future and those evil alien cyborgs suddenly made him xenophobic and violent.

Except that by Picard's generation, the Imperial Starfleet was a thing of the past and humans were slaves, so there was no Enterprise to travel back in time to save the Mirror Earth from the Mirror Borg.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Perhaps it's the other way around: the Imperial timeline is the 'natural' order of things that would have resulted if Picard and company had never travelled back in time...

 

[F. King Daniel]

Yeah, judging from what we've learned in Carbon Creek (that Vulcans kept an eye on humans long before 2063), it's a little hard to believe they would bother making contact with a bunch of savages (as Cochran & Co. have been portrayed in IaMD pt.1).

Unless they were all pretty peaceful up until then, but Cochran's recent dealings with those assholes from the future and those evil alien cyborgs suddenly made him xenophobic and violent.

Except that by Picard's generation, the Imperial Starfleet was a thing of the past and humans were slaves, so there was no Enterprise to travel back in time to save the Mirror Earth from the Mirror Borg.

It's possible there was a 24th century Empire, as seen in the novel "Dark Mirror", and that they went back in a mirror FC, but in doing so they changed history STXI-style, leading to the 24th centuy without the Empire, as seen in DS9.

 

[RandyS]

Yeah, judging from what we've learned in Carbon Creek (that Vulcans kept an eye on humans long before 2063), it's a little hard to believe they would bother making contact with a bunch of savages (as Cochran & Co. have been portrayed in IaMD pt.1).

Unless they were all pretty peaceful up until then, but Cochran's recent dealings with those assholes from the future and those evil alien cyborgs suddenly made him xenophobic and violent.

Except that by Picard's generation, the Imperial Starfleet was a thing of the past and humans were slaves, so there was no Enterprise to travel back in time to save the Mirror Earth from the Mirror Borg.

It's possible there was a 24th century Empire, as seen in the novel "Dark Mirror", and that they went back in a mirror FC, but in doing so they changed history STXI-style, leading to the 24th centuy without the Empire, as seen in DS9.

Ah. In other words, you're discussing the 285,000 universes, as opposed to just the two we saw on screen?

 

[xortex]

This goes way beyond the speed of reality.

 

[Queen Mab]

Yeah, judging from what we've learned in Carbon Creek (that Vulcans kept an eye on humans long before 2063), it's a little hard to believe they would bother making contact with a bunch of savages (as Cochran & Co. have been portrayed in IaMD pt.1).

I suppose you could argue that the Vulcans thought it was better to make contact now that the savages had the ability to enter the interstellar community. That way they could possibly control them somewhat. They probably didn't expect their representative to have his chest evacuated by the Earth "ambassador."

Either that, or the Vulcan captain was simply unfamiliar with Earth and humanity. From his point of view, they could have been a perfectly peaceful little species that just achieved faster-than-light travel.

"They're on a survey mission they have no interest in earth"

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ It was Troi who said that, wasn't it? How could she possibly know what the Vulcan crew was thinking?

 

[F. King Daniel]

It was a major event in Earth history. I'm certain logs of the mission, as well as the Vulcan's files on Earth, would have been available from the Vulcan side for hundreds of years by the time of FC. It's probably stuff they're taught in school.

 

[Sci]

It was a major event in Earth history. I'm certain logs of the mission, as well as the Vulcan's files on Earth, would have been available from the Vulcan side for hundreds of years by the time of FC. It's probably stuff they're taught in school.

That's possible. It's also possible that, as someone whose duties included advising Captain Picard on first contact scenarios, she may have specifically studied Vulcan-Human first contact, including both logs from the T'Plana-Hath and interviews with the Vulcan captain.