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The Enterprise...then and now?

Warped9

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It's a forgone conclusion with rather apparent visual evidence that the reimagining of the U.S.S. Enterprise will depart in more than moderate extent from MJ's cherished design. In my view this is more than ample evidence that Trek XI is a restart or reimagining or whatever you may wish to call it. Simply there is no plausible way to retcon the new design into TOS' "reality."

But thats beside the point and really a whole different discussion.

The issue I raise is: does MJ's original design really need to be reworked to work today?

I would say "yes" if one is overly concerned with contemporary aesthetic trends and feeling the need to emulate most everything in sf hardware in the past twenty plus years.

But...if one believes that the Enterprise should evoke the kind of futuristic technology and society that TOS tried to convey then I would argue "no" and that the ship need not and should not be extensively reworked. In fairness it could require some minor tweaking with the interior sets and costumes in terms of detail to be consistent with current production standards, but the original overall look still works just fine to evoke an advanced and streamlined future.

And this is part of what bothers me with the present Trek XI teaser--it is dark and moody in atmosphere and harkens to the Trek of latter DS9, VOY, ENT and the TNG films rather than the bold adventurism and optimism of TOS. And the redesign (at least what we see of it) emphasizes that feeling.

The Trek XI redesign may be a very intriguing one in its own right, but it is inconsistent with what the original TOS Enterprise embodied.

The Enterprise is so recognizable and emblematic of what Star Trek was that one tampers with it at their own risk.

If they can't get the Enterprise right then I suspect they will overlook many other things that made Star Trek work.

Unless, of course, the whole point is to totally refashion the subject matter while retaining a handful of familiar references and names.
 
I think it just needs a little tweaking to bring it up to modern standards. The Big E looked pretty majestic in its appearances on Deep Space Nine and Enterprise, so I don't think any major redesign, especially externally, is necessary.
 
"apparent visual evidence"

We don't know that we've seen in the trailer is what we'll see in the movie, it's a teaser.

Why does it matter anyway, it's not about 'how' the ship looks, it's about what you say in your sig: "space adventure, strange new worlds and the final frontier..."

Whenever I see the Enterprise, no matter it's appearance, be it 1701, A, B, C, D, E, J, I don't think; 'I wish it looked different'. I think; There She is!

edit: response to Warped9
 
After watching the remastered "The Menagerie" at the theater when they showed it back in November, my stance was (and still is) that any doubts about the ability of the original design looking good on the big screen should be put to rest. The girl looked beautiful.
 
I think it will come as no surprise that I think she needs no change at all, just a wee bit of barely-conspicuous paneling detail that only shows up in extreme closeup.
 
"The issue I raise is: does MJ's original design really need to be reworked to work today?"

Do you mean what was seen on screen or the way the model really looked? (Trails and Tribblations)

The Phase II movie and TMP designs are what they wanted the Enterprise to always to have looked. :thumbsup:

Just like Star Trek XI. :thumbsup:

No boycott will change the model. :thumbsup:

It is 2008 not 1966. :thumbsup:
 
Holytomato said:
"The issue I raise is: does MJ's original design really need to be reworked to work today?"

Do you mean what was seen on screen or the way the model really looked? (Trails and Tribblations)

The Phase II movie and TMP designs are what they wanted the Enterprise to always to have looked.

Cite your sources, Spanky.
 
The TOS Enterprise became much more than just another piece of sf hardware. It represented a future technology, a future society and even that society's character. It was inspirational. And that was enhanced by how the ship was depicted and photographed. It's sleek futurism was an integral part of its appeal and what it meant to convey as well as being an integral part of its identity. If you dramtically change an integral element of the original design's appeal then you risk changing its identity and what it conveys.

Now thats fine if indeed you plan to redefine or re-characterize basic elements of TOS to appeal to a different sensibility. But if you hope to evoke much of what made TOS work in the first place then you change elemental things at your own peril.

And I disagree that the refit movie E was the way it was always meant to look. It looked the way it did because available resources and sensibilities had changed more than anything else.
 
No. I love the way it looked. It's my favorite of all the versions of the Enterprise. But I won't freak if it looks different.
 
Just a little tweaking. I've not seen enough from official sources to know if they're doing more than that. Have any official photos of the Enterprise (2008) been released other than the trailer?
 
TigerOfDarkness said:
The TOS Enterprise appeared on the big screen in Airplane II - looked OK to me.

So non Trekkers will accept the ship, and planets looking like that? 1966 not 2008?

:confused: :wtf:

:guffaw:

If the 1966 look from Airplane II was so great, why was it changed for TMP, DS9's Trails and Tribblations, The Smith's refurbish, ENT's In a Mirror Darkly, TOS-R, and Adam Turner's ADB covers?
 
I've only ever found the original to be palatable from a few angles. To my eyes, it looks awkward, flimsy and without the "weight" a ship of that size should have.

I know that's heresy in some corners, but hey. I go for a option 2.
 
I know, in my heart, having torn the ship apart and fleshed it out deck by deck, that if I had the ability to reflect that kind of functionality in the exterior of a CGI model, it would look far more realistic than any Trek ship yet designed. And that includes the TMP refit, which I still think is the most beautiful. To accomplish it would require only very subtle but well-planned tweaking all over the model.

The TMP ship would remain the most beautiful. This one would instead look the most real.
 
Holytomato said:
So non Trekkers will accept the ship, and planets looking like that? 1966 not 2008?

If the 1966 look from Airplane II was so great, why was it changed for TMP, DS9's Trails and Tribblations, The Smith's refurbish, ENT's In a Mirror Darkly, TOS-R, and Adam Turner's ADB covers?

Uh, the 1966 look was the same one in DS9, IAMD, TOS-R, and the SFB games...just with extra details like hull plate lines added, rather than a wholesale redesign. In other words, just what the OP is advocating, so I guess I'm having trouble following your point.
 
The basic design of the ship is so strong that it's worked in a number of different incarnations - the TOS ship, the TNG ship, the TMP version - but it's been desirable to revise it as time passed and to meet specific production demands. The Abrams' version is clearly strongly inspired by both the TOS and TMP versions and if the teaser for the film is any indication the intent is find ways to present this version of the design in the most visually realistic way that's ever been done - and so far, at this early point, they're succeeding. So I'm looking forward to seeing just what the whole thing looks like.
 
^ Same here. I liken the new look to the suit in Superman Returns: The basic lines and elements are all there, just modified a bit. Same with the movie itself: It'll be consistent with "major" canon points, but massaged somewhat in order to better tell whatever story Abrams had in mind.

Of course, the teaser could be nothing more than a massive mindfuck to keep fans twitching for the next couple of months. :thumbsup:
 
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