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The Enterprise That Wasn't

Genius scientists? That works for me. It'd be cool if we sent our legit best and brightest out there, especially if we're more on a NASA than Space Force footing. I wonder if a cool storyline might be if a rival ship is an Earth ship from the private sector with their own agenda.
Best and brightest you say?

Reminds me of a Simpsons Halloween Special about Y2K where Lisa gets on the genius ship after Homer tries to blag it on as the guy from The Piano Man (I think), "Shiney McShine" and then he and Bart end up on a ship with Rosie O'Donnell and Spike Lee headed for the sun
 
That ship was designed by Matt Jeffries for a non-Trek Gene Roddenberry series called Starship, which never came to be. The ship was to be crewed exclusively by genius scientists or somesuch. I imagine if they developed the concept, they'd go back to those 1970's origins and build from there. Lots of info and some concept art in THIS THREAD.

Could you put all the art from that into one post here please?
 
In our discussion of reverse engineering, I overlooked Booby Trap (TNG).
Whaddaya mean?
Best and brightest you say?

Reminds me of a Simpsons Halloween Special about Y2K where Lisa gets on the genius ship after Homer tries to blag it on as the guy from The Piano Man (I think), "Shiney McShine" and then he and Bart end up on a ship with Rosie O'Donnell and Spike Lee headed for the sun
I remember that one. The betrayal though!

But, yeah, if we’re talking a smaller crew of 9-15, I’m seeing more technical, scientific, and leadership expertise with a few broader chested security types in the mix. Or a ninja lol. Maybe an intimidating but more wiry commander like the skipper of the Dallas in Hunt for Red October. Only more of an astronaut and less of a “buckaroo.”

Again, this is a small ship that’s out to see what’s out there, get a lay of the land, not to throw down any gauntlets.
 
U.S.S. Dallas-Los Angeles class submarine-was a setting for The Hunt for Red October. Decommissioned in 2017. Scott Glenn played the skipper, Bart Mancuso.
 
Such a great movie. I had a copy of the magazine PROCEEDINGS from the film. Not the film used one. Issue with the sub’s conning tower on the cover. Adds for consoles with buttons and flip up clear button blockers and such…
 
I don't know how to post a link to YouTube. Here is an interesting title-"The Hunt for Red October: Get on the Sub".
 
Okay, here is my input: the design would be appropriate for a next-generation version of NASA, which, in this case, would be called the United Earth Space Probe Agency, or UESPA (which was mentioned in TOS). Starfleet may or may not exist at this junction, but that wouldn't preclude this ship from having a basic weapons system, which includes lasers and nukes. If nothing else, these weapons would be used for demolition and research purposes.
 


After seeing the above image on another BB online, and in the wake of PIC, I find myself wondering about the ENT or just Ent that never was. @aridas sofia are you still here? I remember you had a lot of great images of the 22nd century from the fandom a while ago. Where were they from? I'l try to look for them. I grew up watching TNG and still imagine the early Trek Universe looking more sort of like that. Looking at the above image, and having just watched PIC with its richness and...dread? I guess I think of the Ringship's period being very precarious and dread-inducing, and I wish talents like Chabon and others could flesh it out. What might it been like?

I see it as a mix of TOS or Babylon 5 and NASA. We're mostly localized to the Solar System, with large corporations running the show. Humans are practically unprotected wherever they go. Warp is pretty much the only advanced tech we've just come up with. Maybe gravity plating too. Maybe. The tech being not far away from the math we did to get warp. But the rest is open to be invented or procured or acquired by federating with aliens we'll soon have first contacts with. Weapons are lasers and nukes. The super weapon photon torpedoes maybe being the current Manhattan Project, perhaps in a lopsided war against the ancient Romulans.

You know, I'm not going to imagine anything more than that right now. What do you all think about what this ship's world might have been like?


This ship was one reason the series Enterprise initially annoyed me. It got skipped over there, it seemed. So I got a bad taste for the show. Eventually I grew to like it more. Especially in the last season.
 
I don’t know if I said it before, but this should have been the Spock’s Brain ion ship in the remastered version. You get Scotty’s reaction then. Khan should have been on the silver rocket…that might be Musk’s next design
 
I don’t know if I said it before, but this should have been the Spock’s Brain ion ship in the remastered version. You get Scotty’s reaction then. Khan should have been on the silver rocket…that might be Musk’s next design
Somebody tweet Musk, fast.
 
I was reviewing a movie clip for Red October.

It seem that "star base" was the call sign for the Enterprise.
 
What is shown on screen is canon. However, that doesn’t mean that everything shown on screen will be consistent. James R. Kirk is just as canon as James T. Kirk, but it’s not consistent.

It wasn't supposed to be. Gary Mitchell was the villain preaching being a god and made a human error. I'm sure for some here on this forum would have like Kirk to correct Mitchell on the letter of his middle name in a pinnacle point where his life was on the line. The point was Gary Mitchell was still human even though he thought he was a god.
 
It wasn't supposed to be. Gary Mitchell was the villain preaching being a god and made a human error. I'm sure for some here on this forum would have like Kirk to correct Mitchell on the letter of his middle name in a pinnacle point where his life was on the line. The point was Gary Mitchell was still human even though he thought he was a god.

But he didn’t make an error. When WNMHGB was filmed, ‘R’ was Kirk’s middle initial.
 
It wasn't supposed to be. Gary Mitchell was the villain preaching being a god and made a human error. I'm sure for some here on this forum would have like Kirk to correct Mitchell on the letter of his middle name in a pinnacle point where his life was on the line. The point was Gary Mitchell was still human even though he thought he was a god.

But he didn’t make an error. When WNMHGB was filmed, ‘R’ was Kirk’s middle initial.

It is better to assume that Kirk has a number of middle names and thus a number of middle initials. Kirk chose "James R. Kirk" to be his standard signiature and name for use in Starfleet. After Delta Vega, "James R. Kirk" always reminded him of the tombstone and having to kill his best friend, so he officially changed his official Starfleet name and signiature to "James T. Kirk" before the first season of TOS.

So "James R. Kirk" and "James T. Kirk" were both correct, though incomplete, forms of KIrk' s name at different times.
 
It is better to assume that Kirk has a number of middle names and thus a number of middle initials. Kirk chose "James R. Kirk" to be his standard signiature and name for use in Starfleet. After Delta Vega, "James R. Kirk" always reminded him of the tombstone and having to kill his best friend, so he officially changed his official Starfleet name and signiature to "James T. Kirk" before the first season of TOS.

So "James R. Kirk" and "James T. Kirk" were both correct, though incomplete, forms of KIrk' s name at different times.

My point is that we don’t need to come up with convoluted explanations as to why Kirk’s middle initial changed. It’s no different than Klinger having two different blood types or Colonel Blake’s wife name being both Mildred and Lorraine in M*A*S*H. Fictitious information can change over time in a television show because of different writers, changed premises, etc. and it’s not necessary to rationalize it all. It just is.
 
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