The end scene of "Flesh and Stone"

[Bob The Skutter]

And I see nobody has said anything about Rory cheering on the stripper to jump out of the cake. Was that awful of him or was that just one of those "boys will be boys" things?

Watch a stripper, kill a couple of hookers, it's just what you do on a stag night.

 

[The]

DAK, in you sig you mention a son. You may want to change that, as that implies you had sexual intercourse. And, unless that was approved by the moral majority of this thread, then you may be in for a scolding...

 

[Starkers]

DAK, in you sig you mention a son. You may want to change that, as that implies you had sexual intercourse. And, unless that was approved by the moral majority of this thread, then you may be in for a scolding...

don't be absurd, everyone knows the stork brings children (always assuming you don't adopt them from the Bane)

And I see nobody has said anything about Rory cheering on the stripper to jump out of the cake. Was that awful of him or was that just one of those "boys will be boys" things?

Actually I was waiting for someone to bring Amy's occupation into this and I was going to hit them with that point...

 

[DAK]

DAK, in you sig you mention a son. You may want to change that, as that implies you had sexual intercourse. And, unless that was approved by the moral majority of this thread, then you may be in for a scolding...

But... but... I was married and everything!!

Can I plead immaculate conception?

 

[The]

^Hey, it's worked before, right?

 

[Admiral_Young]

@Rowan Set...well then speak up, we're in the minority here it seems.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Hardly, even if that were true at the very least she coul've gotten agressive with the man she's going to marry. We know how Rory feels he's about to marry a supermodel but we don't know what her feels are towards Rory and it's alittle suspect when comes on to somebody else.

Then there wouldn't be any STORY. It's about a woman who RUNS OFF WITH ANOTHER MAN THE DAY BEFORE SHE'S SUPPOSED TO GET MARRIED.

She clearly has DOUBTS.

It SHOULD be suspect, because SHE HAS DOUBTS.

Doesn't make her a ho, a whore, or anything.

it makes her HUMAN.

Also it's alittle odd that people want a prewatershed show to be even more racier than the scene. Let alone that's somehow OK for Amy to do what she did.

Sorry, that scene was HARDLY racy.

 

[captcalhoun]

it was funnier than it was erotic.

 

[DWF]

Hardly, even if that were true at the very least she coul've gotten agressive with the man she's going to marry. We know how Rory feels he's about to marry a supermodel but we don't know what her feels are towards Rory and it's alittle suspect when comes on to somebody else.

Then there wouldn't be any STORY. It's about a woman who RUNS OFF WITH ANOTHER MAN THE DAY BEFORE SHE'S SUPPOSED TO GET MARRIED.

She clearly has DOUBTS.

It SHOULD be suspect, because SHE HAS DOUBTS.

Doesn't make her a ho, a whore, or anything.

it makes her HUMAN.

Also it's alittle odd that people want a prewatershed show to be even more racier than the scene. Let alone that's somehow OK for Amy to do what she did.

Sorry, that scene was HARDLY racy.

I didn't call Amy anything your projecting again and she has more than just doubts, she admintted Amy's Choice that she hadn't even told him that she loved him in Vampires Of Venice she agrees that they act more like brother and sister than husband and wife in the Silurian two parter she's taken captive and upon being reuited with Rory tells him he's being too clingly.

And no I didn't say the scene was racy but it's been suggested in this thread that the scene didn't go far enough.

 

[DWF]

^Plenty of pre-watershed shows are racier than this. And it is OK for Amy to be like that, how many shows and movies have blokes having one last fling on his last night as a free man and no one bats an eyelid at that.

The Doctor didn't think it was OK and said as much in the scene itself, he even arranged for Amy and Rory's "date" in Venice to help bring them together.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Before I say that I'm done, let me say this:

I didn't call Amy anything your projecting again

I'm not projecting. Read through the thread. YOU may not have, but others have.

and she has more than just doubts, she admintted Amy's Choice that she hadn't even told him that she loved him in Vampires Of Venice she agrees that they act more like brother and sister than husband and wife in the Silurian two parter she's taken captive and upon being reuited with Rory tells him he's being too clingly.

She said YES to marrying him. She's been dating him. So, at SOME point she liked him. But, then here comes her imaginary friend, casting DOUBT on her relationship with Rory.

She's reflecting BACK on what their relationship is like in her current circumstances.

And remember: in the END, she chooses Rory as her husband, not her brother, her HUSBAND. Who she clings too.

She is working something out over the course of the season.

And no I didn't say the scene was racy but it's been suggested in this thread that the scene didn't go far enough.

and suggested by others that it went to far.

Ok, now, I'm done.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

^Plenty of pre-watershed shows are racier than this. And it is OK for Amy to be like that, how many shows and movies have blokes having one last fling on his last night as a free man and no one bats an eyelid at that.

The Doctor didn't think it was OK and said as much in the scene itself, he even arranged for Amy and Rory's "date" in Venice to help bring them together.

The difference is the Doctor wasn't calling her a cock hungry slut as some people are in this thread. And by it's "ok" for her to act like that I mean there's nothing wrong with her wanting to have sex, there is nothing wrong with the way she acted. I don't mean that it's perfectly fine if she cheats but there are reasons why she is doing it, and perfectly natural feelings and reasons why she might and those don't mean she is a slut.

 

[Guartho]

I for one am quite happy that the subject of romance with Donna, and Amy was dealt with quickly and definitively in both seasons.

 

[Bones2]

Like I've said before, I wonder if we'd be having this conversation if Rory had come on to River like that?

I think there'd be massive complaints if Rory had tried to pull off River's clothes while snogging her against her will and telling her in no uncertain turns he wants to bang her one. But make it a woman on a man for some reason it's funny rather than sinister.

 

[Starkers]

Like I've said before, I wonder if we'd be having this conversation if Rory had come on to River like that?

I think there'd be massive complaints if Rory had tried to pull off River's clothes while snogging her against her will and telling her in no uncertain turns he wants to bang her one. But make it a woman on a man for some reason it's funny rather than sinister.

Yup, although as has been said in that situation you can imagine River would have kicked Rory's arse

 

[Bones2]

Yeah, that's true. What is it about new Who making the men weedy prats? Mickey, Adam, and now Rory (who's pretty much Rodney Trotter). Is it really necessary to do it to make the Doctor look amazing?

 

[Starkers]

Harry, Adric, Turlough...

None of them are exactly tough guys.

I think as the Doctor has gotten younger he's needed someone to act as his muscle less and less.

That said Jack isn't exactly a wimp!

 

[Bones2]

He isn't exactly a companion either. But I'd best not get started on Captain Jack here.

As for classic series companions, you're right. I never thought of it that way. To be honest, I think the Doctor works a lot better with female companions, or at least that's the way it's been post the black and white era. But then, Rory wasn't full time as such until the end. Now he is, I hope he'll be less of a henpecked weed.

 

[Rowan Sjet]

He already is. The Rory of The Big Bang is, to use a crude term, badass. Unafraid to give the Doctor a wallop or go up against a Dalek, as well as making some very mature decisions, big and little. Sure, in some small ways Amy is still a bit more dominant in the relationship but over the season Rory has grown hugely and is now an equal partner rather than just someone dragged along on her adventures with the Doctor.

And I'll agree with Starkers point that you can't really compare Amy and the Doctor against a hypothetical Rory and River, not only because of how River would react () but because of how Rory would act. They're incredibly different characters, with very different views of sex. You can't just pick different combinations of gender relationships and compare them without the context of the personalities involved.

 

[Bones2]

Well, just imagine a man acting like Amy in that scene and a woman acting like the Doctor. You'd never get that shown on family television, because it would probably be thought of as attempted rape.