Does anyone else reckon that the last scene of the episode Flesh and Stone where Amy tries to coerce the Doctor into having sex with her was a mistake? It was IMHO a bit too full-on for a family show like Dr Who, and seemed to me to have been put in there to fill out the last few minutes. Must have been a bit embarressing for families watching it with young kids when one of the two main characters started pulling off the others' clothes and urging him to "do the business" with her.
The end scene of "Flesh and Stone"
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No. I was watching with my ten year old brother and did not find it embarrassing at all.
Nor do I think it was a tacked on at the end to fill out the last few minutes, it lead into Rory joining the TARDIS "crew" and led into Rory and Amy's arc that continued through the latter half of the season.
Some people may have issues with the morality of Amy wanting to have sex with the Doctor then and there, but I do not.
Why should sexuality be embarrassing?
It doesn't bother me at all, since the doctor's reactions to it are true to form - he doesn't want any part of it and realises that Rory should rightly be the focus of Amy's romantic attention..
Now if only 9 and 10 had of treated Goofy & Micky like that..
Now if only 9 and 10 had of treated Goofy & Micky like that..
"Coerce?"
Coerce?!
Amy didn't try to coerce the Doctor into anything. Coercion -- forcing someone to do something? That would be sexual assault. Amy never sexually assaults the Doctor.
Does she try to persuade the Doctor to have sex with her? Certainly. Does she try to entice him? Yes. If you're feeling especially unfavorable, you might reasonably argue she tried to seduce him.
But to say that she tried to coerce him? That she tried, in effect, to rape him?
That's just not a reasonable statement on any level.
Improbable. It looked like it was planned out as part of the fundamental progression of the relationship between Amy and the Doctor over the course of the season. As Amy points out, she ran away with a strange man the night before her wedding, and willingly so -- she was always going to hit on him. It's just too much implicit in the nature of what she'd done.
And her decision to hit on the Doctor directly leads to Rory joining the TARDIS crew, which directly leads into both his death in "Cold Blood" and resurrection in the season finale.
And on top of that, it also resolves the romantic tension that had existed between Amy and the Doctor since "The Eleventh Hour."
It's just too much part of the fabric of the show.
Also, it wouldn't have just been added on at the end to fill up time. Moffat would have known months in advance that the rest of "Flesh and Stone" hadn't been long enough to fill out the entire episode -- television script lengths are usually supposed to roughly correspond to one page equaling one minute of TV, and scripts are generally longer than they need to be for that requirement, with extra material being deleted in the editing room.
I suppose that depends on your family's value system.
*shrugs*
The same Moffat who wrote "Flesh and Stone" also wrote "The Doctor Dances" and "The Girl in the Fireplace," so clearly Moffat doesn't think it's inherent to the Doctor that he'd refuse to have a relationship with someone. And goodness knows that the relationship between the Doctor and River Song has been implied to eventually come to possess a romantic/sexual aspect to it.
Y'know, people say that sometimes, and I'm always astonished that anyone looks at Mickey with any sympathy at the time of "Rose." It was obviously already a dead relationship where he didn't value her and had already cheated on her. I mean, going to the pub for a football match after your girlfriend's almost died? Barking at her not to read your email? What do you think that was about?
Rose left Mickey for the Doctor. And good for the both of them. She deserved better than he was treating her, and he needed to lose her to realize he needed to grow as a person.
Oh for goodness sake. She probably fantasized about him for years and figured this was her one and only chance to fulfill that fantasy, sure that he'd be leaving again when he found out she was getting married. A desperate and impulsive move, and totally believable from a 21-year-old.
I was watching with my 11 and 13 year old nieces at the time, can't say that scene particularly bothered me, or them. I mean they watch Hollyoaks and the other soaps where there are much more "full on" scenes shown at similar times.
I still reckon it could've been done in a more sophisticated manner. Having Amy tell the Doctor that she had feelings for him and then leaned in and just kissed him once, softly and briefly, and then pull away to observe his reaction would have been better IMO than all that tugging at his braces and spreading herself on the bed before him. Then we'd still have had Rory joining them, which was great.
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And that's totally out of character for Amy. Luckily she seems to have no hang ups with displaying her sexuality, just because you have a problem with that does not make it a bad thing. As I said, we're in the year 2010, not 1910 and we sure as hell progressed further than covering up table legs to prevent men from "suffering" impure thoughts.
The scene was not too full on, it was quite funny actually. However, the morality of the scene was a bit disturbing. Amy really is a slapper, and not one person in this thread can argue against that. She has very low sexual morales and no respect for the love of her life, Rory. He's better off out of the relationship if you ask me before she succumbs to another urge and really does end up sleeping with another man.
she was not a slapper. just because she's engaged to one man and tries it on with another doesn't make her a slapper.
now, if she'd slept with 56 other guys besides Rory, yes, she'd be a slapper. or 47. or 37. or 33. or 20.
now, if she'd slept with 56 other guys besides Rory, yes, she'd be a slapper. or 47. or 37. or 33. or 20.
Assuming that a "slapper" is British slang for a woman who is sexually promiscuous -- i.e., a slut...
... no. She's not. Amy Pond is not a slapper.
Being sexually interested in a grand total of two men does not make a woman sexually promiscuous.
Complete and utter bullshit.
Are you going to seriously argue that you've never had strong feelings for two people? That you've never loved two people at once?
If you haven't, well, hey, good for you.
But in real life, it happens sometimes. Someone gets engaged and then meets or re-meets someone else for whom they have strong feelings or with whom they are in love. And when that happens, they have to make a choice.
Let's bear in mind that Amy was recovering from her very first truly traumatic experience when she hit on the Doctor: She'd never really faced her own imminent death, and alone, before. She was stuck in the woods, with her eyes closed, a creature inside her brain trying to kill her, and surrounded by Weeping Angels.
Unlike you, I am simply unwilling to judge someone as having loose morals or no respect for her fiance because she made a poor choice, based upon pre-existing romantic feelings, in the wake of having faced the kind of trauma that most people never have to go through in their entire lives.
And bear in mind, too, that Amy didn't really know who she loved until "Amy's Choice," two episodes later. It wasn't until she'd thought she'd lost him that she really understood that she loved Rory more than the Doctor.
And that happens. Sometimes, you just can't really gain self-insight into who you value most in your life until you've lost it.
And she made her choice, then. And she never went back on it. Yeah, sure, she made one joke about snogging the Doctor in "The Big Bang," but it was an obvious joke and Rory wasn't too bothered by it.
Hell, even when Rory had been erased from her memory, she still didn't hit on the Doctor.
I think that's absolutely a fair question to consider. Especially if you're willing to put coercion and sexual assault on the same level, I'm not sure you'd be laughing if the genders were reversed. Now I don't think she tried to rape him, or really even coerce him, and I'm sure the Doctor didn't feel actually threatened; just bewildered. The trauma of the Angels and this "last chance" opportunity to have sex with the literal man of her dreams probably had a lot to do with it, but it's hard to watch that scene and not see Amy trying to force herself on the Doctor.
Which really has nothing at all to do with the Doctor feeling that Amy's attention should be focused on Rory, not him.
Rose is one thing, where he does come across as very immature, but Boom Town? One of the highlight scenes is Mickey confronting Rose - not to mention his legitimate anger in Aliens of London.
And besides, dead relationship? Cheating? I think you're letting your Doctor/Rose love color your view of early Mickey - especially the cheating assumption. Maybe he barks at her not to read his e-mail because he has a sense of privacy and she's displayed a history of snooping through his e-mail - and overreacts to that because he's immature. Mickey Smith is just as likely to have classified information in his e-mail as to have been cheating.
If she'd come on to a different man in every episode I would agree with you. Let's face it, she was settling for Rory, at least at first. Leadworth isn't exactly a booming place and there probably aren't a lot of good men to pick from. Rory is her childhood friend, he's good to her, and he loves her. But he's boring and it's a stale relationship even before they're married. Then along comes her (very good looking!) fantasy man who takes her away on some amazing adventures. Of course she came onto him! I would have been surprised if she hadn't!
She didn't realize what she had with Rory until she thought she'd lost him in "Amy's Choice", never even told him that she loved him because she didn't know herself until then. Rory's not boring after all, but just as adventurous as she is and as heroic as the Doctor is. I don't think we'll see Amy chasing after a new man every week next season. Besides, now she has River to contend with for the Doctor, and she knows she'd get her butt kicked.
There's no real evidence that Amy is a slapper. She's incrdibly flirtatious yes, but a slapper?
Geez try and imagine what must be going through the girl's head in that scene...you've just survived an increadinly traumatic situation, you're still the night before your wedding to Rory, plus the mysterious imaginatry friend you've fixated on since childhood has turned up...I mean this isn't an ordinary situation right?
I'm with Kestral though, if the Doctor had shoved Amy up against the TARDIS and forced his mouth onto her I think that scene plays rather differently.
Geez try and imagine what must be going through the girl's head in that scene...you've just survived an increadinly traumatic situation, you're still the night before your wedding to Rory, plus the mysterious imaginatry friend you've fixated on since childhood has turned up...I mean this isn't an ordinary situation right?
I'm with Kestral though, if the Doctor had shoved Amy up against the TARDIS and forced his mouth onto her I think that scene plays rather differently.
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