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The End Of Time Part 2 - Comment & Grading SPOILERS

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Well, that was it. David Tennant leaves us for good. :(


What a ride.

That has to be the most emotionally charged farewell to any doctor that i have seen. Kudos to David for his acting.


As is the norm for an RTD ep, it had shit in there that, well, quite frankly, didnt need to be in there. But over all, it was a fantastic final adventure for Tennant.


Especially the scene on the ship in orbit next to the window looking down on earth, i thought i was gonna cry when Cribbins delivered those lines that he didnt want him to die. and tried to hand him his gun that he (suposedly) never fired, until The Doctor finally grabbed the gun and ran.

As i said, it had bits in there that didnt need to be there, they just clogged up the works where they couldve put a decent few minutes of scenes. Instead we had a few minutes of The Doctor being wheeled 'Carry-on' style through a few corridors and down steps. :rolleyes:

The last 20 minutes were astounding. Brilliantly written and acted. And the final scenes with Wilf and The Doctor were equally amazing. Especially where the Doctor gets up from the floor all cut up with glass and is amazed that he is alive, that The Master didnt take his tenth life, only to hear four knocks, and turns out to be Wilf behind the radiation shield. The way The Doctor turns round to Wilf with a look of 'Oh for fucks sake, its you that will take my life not the master' its a look of 'I dont believe it' which creates a huge wibbly wobbly timey wimey paradox where we were lead to believe it would be the master that would get the Doctor when in actual fact, it turns out to be Wilf that knocks four times and did ultimatly take the Doctors tenth life.

And after he had absorbed the radiation was great moment. Yeah, i got the Wrath of Khan reference of sacrifice aswel, didnt bother me really. But the whole monologue with Wilf just listening to The Doctor rant about humans was great, about getting stuck in stupid situations and having to save them, and then turning to him and saying that it would be an honour to sacrifice one of his many lives for the one life that Wilf will ever have put a lump in my throat.

And yeah, there are some aspects that are left open such as who the woman is in Rassilons gang of Timelords, why Donna rembered stuff and then didnt burn up and die a horrible unltiamte brain hemmorage and was fine, why Wilf didnt change into the Master (its pretty obvious why Donaa didnt, as she is still part Timelord of sorts, so it kinda skipped).

I also think The Doctor looked up to Wilf in admiration, serving in the war, possibly more wars/conflicts, having such an out going and honest character with gung-ho attitude actually made The Doctor respect him in a way that one would a father figure. He looks at Wilf in a way that suggests The Doctor has done nothing in his many years of life as Wilf has done in a meer blip of existence for a human, The Doctor i think for the first time feels inferior next to the true grit of the human spirit, and that was fantastic.

And then we have The Doctor visiting previous companions. Donna and her family, especially Wilf, to say goodbuy for the last time, Wilf tearing up as he knows that someone he respects is not going to see him again. Then the whole Mickey and Martha thing that was totally out of place, IMHO. Captain Jack and the bar scene was clever as it implies that Jack will find a way back to Earth via Allonso and the Titanic, and geet a good rogering too.
And the way he saved Luke from getting run over. And, like RTD said in the cinfidential, he looks at Sarah Jane and she remembers that look and knows that she wont see The Doctor in that body again, and wells up.

Then the beautiful scene with Rose before she meets Nine was glorious. The degredation of Tens life almost at its end, just to see Rose once more, before she meets him. It was a subtle and simple way of doing that scene, then we have the sad a poignant re-generation scene where the words "I dont wanna go" will haunt me now for days to come as one of Tennants best scenes.

Its done in a way where hes doing things he shouldnt, crossing his own timeline, saving people from death which he shouldnt do as it creates paradoxes/alternate events, alters future history ect. (Martha/Mickey, Luke). Hes doing these things becasue he can, and he only has a short time before this life regenerates, so hes breaking the rules a little before he goes.

And the Re-Gen scene was completley the opposite of what i was expecting. Ten being all alone and essentailly dies alone and sad.
You got to feel sorry for Eleven though, hes regnerated right into the middle of a Tardis that is being destroyed from the inside out. Hes thrown into life and hasnt a clue whats going on, obviously his memories of regenerating are there, but the essence of Elevens character has no clue for that split second of life and then BAMM, im crashing. I was expecting something a little quieter. Something like after regnerating he walks around the console, looks around, and sighs with a passing mention of something completley random, i wasnt expecting it to be so energetic and fast.

When RTD writes drama and emotion, he does it really well. And i loved these final two specials. Cribbins and Tennant were fabulous. They should both get BAFTA nominations for their performances. Truly astounding.
 
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I wonder why River Song was not visited (and told the Doctor's name).
In my own mind, the Doctor went and visited a few others during the "farewell tour."

He went to see Majenta Pryce one last time.

He went and saw Jackson Lake, his mind healed and being the hero he was capable of being.

He went and saw Lady Christina, saved her from a run-in with the law, and got one last snog.

He went to Stowe and saw Astrid as she boarded the Titanic. He said nothing to her, she didn't even know he was there. He just wanted to see her happy.

And, finally, he went and saw River Song, because she had seen him in that body with old eyes. His eyes, as he was dying, were old. He didn't really know her, but she was clearly important to him, and she never understood his visit because it was brief and he was distant.

And when he got to the doorstep of Adam Mitchell, he realised 6 months had passed and thought "jesus, this regeneration is taking its bloody time".
 
Shame they didn't use the original scene with Captain Jack.

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And when he got to the doorstep of Adam Mitchell, he realised 6 months had passed and thought "jesus, this regeneration is taking its bloody time".
Big Finish would find a way to turn the "farewell tour" into fifteen years worth of adventures, with seventeen different companions along the way. :)
 
I bet Big Finish is wetting its self in anticipation of writing for the Tenth Doctor and introducing Majenta Pryce type companions.
 
I too think the woman who spoke to Wilf was Susan.
At the wedding the Doctor looked at Wilf and then Donna, seemingly indicating that the relationships were the same.
 
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It should have been a quiet end to the RTD,Ecchelston and Tennant era......

BUT NOOOOO!!!! WE'VE GOT TO BRING IN THE CHORUS!!!!!!

"AHHHHHHHH...AHHHHHHH.....AHHHHH!!!!!"

"I don't want to go...."

"AHHHHHHHH...AHHHHHHH.....AHHHHH!!!!!"


At least it wasn't what i'd feared the music would be, The Doctor's theme season 4.
 
Okay, one more slight annoyance. So The Tenth Doctor's regeneration tears up the TARDIS interior despite only absorbing radiation but The Ninth Doctor's regeneration caused by taking in the Heart of the TARDIS doesn't? Seems like a bit of stretch...

Well, Nine put the Heart of the TARDIS right back where it belonged as soon as he got it out of Rose (and presumably repaired what it did to her). Ten still had every bit of all the radiation he was dosed with.
 
I bet Big Finish is wetting its self in anticipation of writing for the Tenth Doctor and introducing Majenta Pryce type companions.
Doubtful. They don't have the license to do audio dramas of the ninth and tenth Doctors.

If they did get the license in five years or so, I've little doubt that Tennant would be right there to do it. Eccleston, not so much.
 
And when he got to the doorstep of Adam Mitchell, he realised 6 months had passed and thought "jesus, this regeneration is taking its bloody time".

For this goodbye I was picturing 10 leaving a flaming bag of poo on the doorstep as he rings the doorbell and runs away.
 
I bet Big Finish is wetting its self in anticipation of writing for the Tenth Doctor and introducing Majenta Pryce type companions.
Doubtful. They don't have the license to do audio dramas of the ninth and tenth Doctors.
hence why I said "in anticipation"
Except that Jason Haigh-Ellery and Nick Briggs have other more pressing things on their mind -- like their current monthly ranges and other projects that have a real likelihood of happening -- at the present than the possibility that, sometime in the future, they may have the license to do tenth Doctor audio adventures. There's no "anticipation," and I guarantee you there's no "wetting." They're running a business and trying to make money now. What may or may not happen years down the road isn't something that they would be concerned with.

I think that a radio drama, much like last year's Torchwood dramas, would be more likely than a series of direct-to-CD audio plays. The BBC would want a higher profile for the productions than Big Finish would be capable of achieving at present.
 
Better than part 1, but it was still a bit of a mess. Cribbins was solid gold and so was Tennant, but the long goodbye sequence was a bit too indulgent.

And treating the time lords like they were some throw-away monster of the week was a bit shoddy imo. Though I have no doubt that they will be back in some way or another.

Sad to see Tennant go - he really gave the part his all, and I suspect he would be in the job for a few more years if this were an ideal world. On the news on Saturday night they showed some behind the scenes footage of him wrapping up filming his last scene and thanking everyone involved in the production and the guy was choked up with emotion - he looked genuinely sad to go.

I wish Matt Smith all the best too - I have a feeling he is going to be great as well.
 
A rewatch of this and some helpful explanations from this board have increased my enjoyment of this finalé.
I find this a lot with this forum. It often explains or points out stuff I've missed. Enhances my watching a great deal. :techman:
Same here. I enjoyed Part One a bit more the second time around after reading comments here and I intend to do same for Part Two when I have the time.

Shame they didn't use the original scene with Captain Jack.

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BARROWMAN!!!! :scream:

Okay, one more slight annoyance. So The Tenth Doctor's regeneration tears up the TARDIS interior despite only absorbing radiation but The Ninth Doctor's regeneration caused by taking in the Heart of the TARDIS doesn't? Seems like a bit of stretch...

Well, Nine put the Heart of the TARDIS right back where it belonged as soon as he got it out of Rose (and presumably repaired what it did to her). Ten still had every bit of all the radiation he was dosed with.
Hm, that's a fair point. I had forgotten about that.

I bet Big Finish is wetting its self in anticipation of writing for the Tenth Doctor and introducing Majenta Pryce type companions.
Doubtful. They don't have the license to do audio dramas of the ninth and tenth Doctors.

If they did get the license in five years or so, I've little doubt that Tennant would be right there to do it. Eccleston, not so much.
Which is a pity. I would love to hear Eccleston do audio plays if and when Big Finish ever gets the license to do the new series.
 
I hope Cribbins gets some form of best supporting actor award if the BFTA have such a category. He was absolutely superb.
 
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