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The End Of Time Part 2 - Comment & Grading SPOILERS

Rate "The End of Time part 2"

  • Brilliant!

    Votes: 131 72.4%
  • Okay

    Votes: 36 19.9%
  • Bad

    Votes: 6 3.3%
  • I'm sorry, I'm so sorry

    Votes: 8 4.4%

  • Total voters
    181
Well the Doctor would defeat the Master again but Galifry stays this time (with out 'hell' also decending down) , then the counsel will demand the Doctor be Lord President at which point the Doctor will recomend someone he trusts (woman/susan?) as the President, then will run off. ...Hmm sounds so farmiliar.. LOL
They've probably put a new article in the Constitution since The Five Doctors - "Regardless of any other law, the Doctor shall never again be Lord President. It's just too much grief.".:)
 
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I get the impression that there was some sort of predestination paradox regarding the Master's insanity. They knew about the four beats in the Master's head and therefore were able to create the four beats in a manner that would allow for their escape.

It's all timey wimey wibbly wobbly stuff. They'll have other opportunities to escape if and only if the writers decide it so...

I still maintain that at least a couple of Time Lords jumped in their TARDISes and wigged out when Gallifrey briefly broke free of the time lock...

Yeah I thought of that to, they must have been some possiblity of transferance since the Master went into the timelock from the outside world so the reverse must have been possible as well one would think.

Possibly...Of course, the Master only escaped being trapped in the time lock because his consciousness was contained in one of those special watches...which begs the question whether he would have been pulled into the time lock even if he had stayed away from Rossilon when the Doctor destroyed the link...
 
Oh I dunno. Blink is terribly well thought out when you think about it...

Not really. It's all basically a variation on the idea of a pre-destination paradox, and that's been done a thousand times before and since.

And goodness knows that "The Girl in the Fireplace" is all built on a plot hole, while "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances" and "Silence in the Library"/"Forest of the Dead" are all built on dues ex machinas. ;)
 
I think what bugged me was that Timothy Dalton wasn't in the main credits. I'd forgotten he was going to be in these specials, and I spent the entirety of both parts (watched back-to-back) thinking this Time Lord guy was familiar but unable to place him!

You'd think with a big-name like that involved, they'd find a spot in the credits for him.
 
Oh I dunno. Blink is terribly well thought out when you think about it...

Not really. It's all basically a variation on the idea of a pre-destination paradox, and that's been done a thousand times before and since.

Yes, but that's another (quite different) argument.

If's a bit like -
Person A:'My new car is very well put together'
Person B:'Not really. It's the same colour as that really old one over the road.'
 
Oh I dunno. Blink is terribly well thought out when you think about it...

Not really. It's all basically a variation on the idea of a pre-destination paradox, and that's been done a thousand times before and since.

Yes, but that's another (quite different) argument.

If's a bit like -
Person A:'My new car is very well put together'
Person B:'Not really. It's the same colour as that really old one over the road.'

I just don't think "the Doctor did it all 'cause Sally wrote it down for him to" is actually all that "well thought out."
 
To be honest having watched Blink again I still maintain it has plot holes you could drive a fleet of trucks through, but it doesn't matter because the concept/dialogue/acting/direction and music are so utterly perfect. I actually feel the same way about The End of Time. The majot difference between Moffat and RTD for me is that Moffat is cleverer at hiding his plot gaps than RTD is.
 
To be honest having watched Blink again I still maintain it has plot holes you could drive a fleet of trucks through, but it doesn't matter because the concept/dialogue/acting/direction and music are so utterly perfect. I actually feel the same way about The End of Time. The majot difference between Moffat and RTD for me is that Moffat is cleverer at hiding his plot gaps than RTD is.

Sometimes. On the other hand, if you ask Moffat, he's written on the old Outpost Gallifrey forums about how "Smith and Jones" is a much smarter and more sophisticated script than "Blink" because "Blink" wears its complexity on its sleeve whilst "Smith and Jones" hides its complexity by accomplishing so much in so little a span of time.
 
Sometimes. On the other hand, if you ask Moffat, he's written on the old Outpost Gallifrey forums about how "Smith and Jones" is a much smarter and more sophisticated script than "Blink" because "Blink" wears its complexity on its sleeve whilst "Smith and Jones" hides its complexity by accomplishing so much in so little a span of time.
Did he say that? If he did, I agree. In a matter of minutes, "Smith and Jones" manages to introduce a completely new character, her own supporting cast, set up the plot of the episode, and reintroduce the concept of the show for a new audience. It's a masterpiece.
 
Say what you will about his plotting, but RTD definitely knew how to write great dialogue. Whether it's the portentious over-the-top stuff or the quiet character moments, it almost always had some bite or zing to it, and stood out from the usual generic scifi dialogue.
 
And so we reach

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I do not know where this picture came from, but it cracks me up. :lol:

I gave it a Brilliant, though I probably would have went with "good" or "pretty good" had that been an option. The whole Time Lord thing was pretty confusing--usually I can keep up with the temporal stuff in Dr. Who, but I don't understand how they just now figured out they were going to be fucked in the time war, and then how they decided on that moment in time--when the Doctor and Master were on Earth--to make an appearance to do... not sure what, exactly. Smash Earth out of the sky so Gallifrey could take its place? Very confusing, IMO, but I've only seen NuWho and none of the earlier stuff, so maybe I'd be less confused if I had.

That aside, I thought it was a good send-off for Tennant, who I'm going to miss very much! I love that the Master ended up sacrificing himself to save the Doctor. I seriously love John Simm--he's so awesome! I really would love to see the Doctor and the Master travel around together--they'd be like the ultimate Odd Couple. :lol:

I kind of figured the Doctor's death would be some sort of self-sacrifice--it fits with the character, and was the way Nine went out as well.

And though it was cheesy, I like that the Doctor got his "reward"--he got to help or check in on everyone who had mattered to him. That was really sweet, and had me in tears.

Did anyone else notice that the guy the Doctor hooked Jack up with was the guy from the Titanic in "Voyage of the Damned"? The one who ended up taking over for the captain? Someone probably pointed that out already--I haven't read all 20+ pages. :o But I think given all that Jack had lost in CoE, I don't think it was bad that the Doctor helped him hook up. :p ;)

I'm really going to miss Tennant--I'm curious to see how this Matt Smith guy will do. I do agree with those saying the regeneration was similar to Tennant's--not having seen old Dr. Who, I don't know if that's standard or not.
 
I got the impression that Ten's regeneration was so explosive because he had tried to suppress it for so long.
 
Can anyone tell me, what Donna said just before she collapsed? I have watched part 2 three times now, and I still can't catch it! Thank you.:)
 
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