I think it is one of those predestination paradox things, they hear the signal (or the oracle lady picks up on it) and figure out they are the ones who have to send the signal in the first place, so that they can hear it, and thus do.
The End Of Time Part 2 - Comment & Grading SPOILERS
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I think it is one of those predestination paradox things, they hear the signal (or the oracle lady picks up on it) and figure out they are the ones who have to send the signal in the first place, so that they can hear it, and thus do.
No, that doesn't make sense. The whole thing that was to make it work was that they were connecting with an existing signal, one that had been sent out PRIOR to the time lock.
Mr Awe
Checkmate
Commodore
That's the whole point of that type of time paradox.
It's like saying "Oh, that's lucky, I just happened to find [THE THING TO SAVE THE DAY] here in my pocket!" Then later on you come across a time machine and the [THE THING TO SAVE THE DAY] sitting right next to it, quickly realizing that you're the one who put [THE THING TO SAVE THE DAY] in your own pocket to begin with... so you do.
These things also aren't paradoxes, but a simple loop. A paradox is something that doesn't make any sense and cannot be resolved logically. These do; you just have to accept that the original timeline that created them is destroyed/turned into an alternate timeline or dimension.
No, they just needed a connection with something outside the time lock. They also made it clear that they could send minute items out of it, hence the diamond. A signal would be cakewalk compared to something that "huge." Once they realized that they were the ones who made the Master insane by implanting the signal in his head, they went about to create that signal in the heart of time itself, and then used it as a tether to escape.
This is also RTD we're talking about. Stupid plots that make only the tiniest bit of sense is his thing.
Believe me, I know what you're saying, I've seen Bill and Ted's as well. But, it's not much of a Time Lock if they can retroactively decide to send a signal out and it works. Then they were never locked in to begin with. All they had to do was think of any conceiveable way out and and it's all set in motion without them lifting a finger!
No, there's evidence of an additional force manipulating things. The whole thing with the alien tech. The Ood advancing. How was the mysterious Time Lady able to communicate with Wilf through the lock. etc. Lots of stuff pointing to a larger force manipulating events.
Now, this I can buy into!
But, I'm also wondering if RTD left some things open for Moffat to work with? Or maybe they worked together? There's mysteries to be solved, the second dissenter, the mystery Time Lady (could be Susan or not), a possible other force or entity involved. These could RTD plotholes or more intentional. Time will tell.
Mr Awe
Oh, I hope so - I really like her. Apparently Moffat does too, which is hopeful.
And hell, if the Doctor actually has a granddaughter then at some point in time he must have had a son or daughter, right?
Gotta love that kind of thing.
Doc #10 had commented in an episode (can't remember which) that he was a father at one point.
Just saw it, and thought it was good overall. Yeah it was over the top and excessive and melodramatic as hell, but somehow that seemed like how the RTD era SHOULD have been ended.
I was a bit disappointed that the Doc's death resulted from that radiation time-lock chamber room though. Probably because I never quite figured out how that system was supposed to work in the first place. lol
And while some of the final goodbyes worked better than others, I liked the general idea behind them. It was fun seeing all those different characters and aliens return again.
The most pleasant surprise of course was seeing so much of Smith at the end. I was expecting just a line or two, but we got what felt like an entire scene. Awesome.
I was a bit disappointed that the Doc's death resulted from that radiation time-lock chamber room though. Probably because I never quite figured out how that system was supposed to work in the first place. lol
And while some of the final goodbyes worked better than others, I liked the general idea behind them. It was fun seeing all those different characters and aliens return again.
The most pleasant surprise of course was seeing so much of Smith at the end. I was expecting just a line or two, but we got what felt like an entire scene. Awesome.
My pet theory is that 10b becomes "Doctor Who" from the Cushing movies. Has a few kids with Rose (and grandkids) builds a TARDIS and goes off and a few adventures.I just keep thinking about 10b with all the Doctor's memories living in a parallel dimension - a bit of pseudo-science and the walls between worlds can come down again and out pops Rose and 10b; this probably won't happen of course, but it allows for an easy two doctors story in the future without having to worry about walking all over the Doctor's personal timestreams etc. so 10 hasn't actually gone...from a certain point of view.
10b always seemed to be designed as Tennant's way to reappear on the series as much as he would like to in the future. If I understood correctly, 10b will age at the same rate a human does; so 10b will look like Tennant as Tennant grows older.Tennant might age into looking like Cushing did in the movies.
I like it! And presumably the Bernard Cribbins character will be a descendant of the alternate timeline's Wilf!
Really, this is all that needs to be said on any of the questions raised by this emotionally affecting but intellectually stultifying story (a lot like the new Trek film in that regard). This plot was fueled by pure arbitrarium, which is sadly a lot easier to come by than unobtainium.
I get the impression that there was some sort of predestination paradox regarding the Master's insanity. They knew about the four beats in the Master's head and therefore were able to create the four beats in a manner that would allow for their escape.
It's all timey wimey wibbly wobbly stuff. They'll have other opportunities to escape if and only if the writers decide it so...
Maybe it's too complicated to send other messages back. A beat of 4 isn't much of a message, just a connection for the timelords to someone outside the timelock, the master didn't know what it was his whole life. Morse coded messages might really drive someone crazy.
I still maintain that at least a couple of Time Lords jumped in their TARDISes and wigged out when Gallifrey briefly broke free of the time lock...
Yeah I thought of that to, they must have been some possiblity of transferance since the Master went into the timelock from the outside world so the reverse must have been possible as well one would think.
Now that the Time Lords have been seen briefly, and not in good light, I'd like to see another good Time Lord pop up from time to time, even if it is a new character and not one that we've encountered in the original series.
Basically a switch and swap idea
One person goes in to regulate the radiation from the gate so another person can be let out.
BTW I thought the goofy/dorky look was great for Smith.
I now know what this image reminds me of
Merritt(Kirks son) from "Square Pegs"
That would be cool...but if the Time Lords come back again, I'd like to see them restored from the time lock...I guess the trick is thinking of what the Master could do with the Time Lords that'd be bigger than replacing all of humanity with clones of himself or wiping out all of reality itself...without going too far over the top, of course...
That would be cool...but if the Time Lords come back again, I'd like to see them restored from the time lock...I guess the trick is thinking of what the Master could do with the Time Lords that'd be bigger than replacing all of humanity with clones of himself or wiping out all of reality itself...without going too far over the top, of course...
Well the Doctor would defeat the Master again but Galifry stays this time (with out 'hell' also decending down) , then the counsel will demand the Doctor be Lord President at which point the Doctor will recomend someone he trusts (woman/susan?) as the President, then will run off. ...Hmm sounds so farmiliar.. LOL