its possible RTDs did not think about it, in this much detail. That is why he has us.
The End Of Time Part 1 - Comment & Grading SPOILERS
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And really, because all these "masters" are not dying from this megametacrisis, unless they are all about to die, doesn't that really mean that the only thing that the doctor really had to do to save Donna at the end of last year was to rather than roll the clock back but to juice her up with a bit more Timelordiness until she reached a point of Unitarian equilibrium?
The goofiest part was everyone shaking their heads and becoming the Master. (and the "Master Race" thing)
Also, DINNERTIIIIIME!
*leaps into air*
Also, DINNERTIIIIIME!
*leaps into air*
Oh, I quite liked Rodan. A sort of proto-Romana.
I adored Rodan. She and Drax are often forgotten by fans even when talking about Time Lords specifically, but I think they were both smashing.
"Where'd you get that accent?"
"Brixton."
"Brixton?"
"Brixton."
HILARIOUS!!
Visions of aliens in shimmers and fleshsuits running between the scenes of Ronnie Corbert's Porridge assailed me quicksmart.
You'd think that Jack looking for the doctor or every bugger on the planet looking for the Master during the third Doctors tenure because that pointy bearded codger was the enemy of the world and he'd have had the powers that be keeping any eye out, or more probably an ear out for some joker, any joker with two hearts.
God in heaven!
I just figured out some thing horrid about the new episode!
We have met a commentator narrator presentor of the facts from gallifrey before!
Every inch the otherworldly Dan Rather!
Runcible the Fatuous.
And here was I thinking that he was the War Chief.
Did you see the confidential?
the chief was in the centre of the tv screen and Russel talked about absolutely everything going on around him like we weren't supposed to notice him, not that he was in charge of the snips used to illustrate his rant.
"Brixton."
"Brixton?"
"Brixton."
HILARIOUS!!
Visions of aliens in shimmers and fleshsuits running between the scenes of Ronnie Corbert's Porridge assailed me quicksmart.
You'd think that Jack looking for the doctor or every bugger on the planet looking for the Master during the third Doctors tenure because that pointy bearded codger was the enemy of the world and he'd have had the powers that be keeping any eye out, or more probably an ear out for some joker, any joker with two hearts.
God in heaven!
I just figured out some thing horrid about the new episode!
We have met a commentator narrator presentor of the facts from gallifrey before!
Every inch the otherworldly Dan Rather!
Runcible the Fatuous.
And here was I thinking that he was the War Chief.
Did you see the confidential?
the chief was in the centre of the tv screen and Russel talked about absolutely everything going on around him like we weren't supposed to notice him, not that he was in charge of the snips used to illustrate his rant.
My "holy fucking shit!" reaction is to the hilarious Master Race - the Timeys were totally expected.
Truly cringe-inducing in its cheesy crapness.
Also, did anyone else find the part where the Doctor and the Master are running around that desolate area (right after the Master has banged that barrell, and right before Wilf shows up with the Geriatric Weirdo-Pervs) a tad pointless?
I didn't like the running aimlessly after each other and the Master banging four times on the trash can very amusing I will agree with that. As I mentioned too...the Minnie ass joke I think was in poor taste and not necessary. The scene where the Master is freaking out and the Doctor finally hears the sound of drums and is incredulous was pretty cool though. Jon Simm's performance was great.
No, not really. The prophecy is being fulfilled, as the Master 'knocks four times' and I thought the short scene between the Master and the Doctor was great, when the Doctor says, "Let me help you." and you see the disgust wash over the Master's face for a moment. I keep thinking about that scene. It's short but it really drives home who these people are and what their motivations are. Also, the fruitlessness of the Doctor's efforts to get through to the Master.
No poll? Would have voted average.
I loved the character moments, the wilf/doc and master/doc scenes were fantastic. And, of course, Time Lords reveal was cock hardening.
Unfortunately it was a structural clusterfuck. Pacing was all over the place, and major plot elements - like the "gate" (or device for planetwide deployment of medical treatment which wasn't *really* a gate...) - were not given adequate set-up. The whole thing just meandered along until the big reveal. Doctor Who is possibly the only show that can plod along at breakneck speed...
Not terrible at all, but I was expecting much better from RTD/Tennant's penultimate episode. Perhaps that makes me naive.
Still, I'm hoping it's better in context with Part 2 which I absolutely can't wait for.
Oh, if any of the above makes me a "hater" you can swivel.
I loved the character moments, the wilf/doc and master/doc scenes were fantastic. And, of course, Time Lords reveal was cock hardening.
Unfortunately it was a structural clusterfuck. Pacing was all over the place, and major plot elements - like the "gate" (or device for planetwide deployment of medical treatment which wasn't *really* a gate...) - were not given adequate set-up. The whole thing just meandered along until the big reveal. Doctor Who is possibly the only show that can plod along at breakneck speed...
Not terrible at all, but I was expecting much better from RTD/Tennant's penultimate episode. Perhaps that makes me naive.
Still, I'm hoping it's better in context with Part 2 which I absolutely can't wait for.
Oh, if any of the above makes me a "hater" you can swivel.
Well. Where to start?
It was good, there’s no denying that.
And we were all right; Dalton was playing a powerful, in one or another, Timelord. We all knew they were returning, it was just a matter of when and how. Now we have to wait a week to find out. Who having a narrator for the first time since the TV Movie back in '96 and somewhat Rose's narration, was fresh sounding for the last two specials, especially when we find out it is Daltons Timelord addressing a huge colossal gathering in a congress type meeting. Dalton and Doctor Who, who would’ve ever EVER thought those two, would go together. Excellent. He has such an authoritive sounding presence. It’s awesome.
The whole master resurrection thing was ok, just had a few pointless moments where you think "oh for fucks sake." But on the whole, it was a decent hour of entertainment.
I thought it was one of the best finale eps that have seen for NuWho. The best Tennant special at least. It had its shit moments as some Who eps do.
But hands down, the best part of the whole hour has to be The Doctor and Wilf sitting in the cafe. They both play the scene flawlessly. Asking Wilf who is and trying to figure out why Donna and Wilf are coincidentally attracted to The Doctor, and when The Doctor loses it explaining he had done things he shouldn’t have, that was Oscar worthy, let alone Bafta worthy for Tennant. Especially when he explains that everything his Tenth incarnation is will die and cease to exist. His life force will survive, but the Tenth body’s personality and features and mind will die. Essentially meaning death while his life force still survives. Wilfs reaction is superb.
Tennant and the loveable Cribbins should get an award for this scene as it is by far the best acted, not so much written, scene in the whole of new Who.
Im hoping also that RTD doesn’t shoehorn every character that has been in Who for the past five years of his tenure in the final Ep. For some reason, we know it is coming. But please, if Eccleston or McCann appear in a time war flashback scene where he destroys all the timelords and Daleks, please don’t screw it up. I highly doubt they will appear in such a scene, but if they do, it would ruin the whole story of Tens death and regeneration.
It was good, there’s no denying that.
And we were all right; Dalton was playing a powerful, in one or another, Timelord. We all knew they were returning, it was just a matter of when and how. Now we have to wait a week to find out. Who having a narrator for the first time since the TV Movie back in '96 and somewhat Rose's narration, was fresh sounding for the last two specials, especially when we find out it is Daltons Timelord addressing a huge colossal gathering in a congress type meeting. Dalton and Doctor Who, who would’ve ever EVER thought those two, would go together. Excellent. He has such an authoritive sounding presence. It’s awesome.
The whole master resurrection thing was ok, just had a few pointless moments where you think "oh for fucks sake." But on the whole, it was a decent hour of entertainment.
I thought it was one of the best finale eps that have seen for NuWho. The best Tennant special at least. It had its shit moments as some Who eps do.
But hands down, the best part of the whole hour has to be The Doctor and Wilf sitting in the cafe. They both play the scene flawlessly. Asking Wilf who is and trying to figure out why Donna and Wilf are coincidentally attracted to The Doctor, and when The Doctor loses it explaining he had done things he shouldn’t have, that was Oscar worthy, let alone Bafta worthy for Tennant. Especially when he explains that everything his Tenth incarnation is will die and cease to exist. His life force will survive, but the Tenth body’s personality and features and mind will die. Essentially meaning death while his life force still survives. Wilfs reaction is superb.
Tennant and the loveable Cribbins should get an award for this scene as it is by far the best acted, not so much written, scene in the whole of new Who.
Im hoping also that RTD doesn’t shoehorn every character that has been in Who for the past five years of his tenure in the final Ep. For some reason, we know it is coming. But please, if Eccleston or McCann appear in a time war flashback scene where he destroys all the timelords and Daleks, please don’t screw it up. I highly doubt they will appear in such a scene, but if they do, it would ruin the whole story of Tens death and regeneration.
The more I think about it, the more worried I am that the only way to fix all this (also going by some of RTD's recent comments) is for the show to hit a giant universe wide reset button. Dear gawd please don't let the show turn into Voyager. 
^
I think a massive reset button is inevitable at this stage. Unfortunately RTD doesn't seem capable of doing "epic" without writing himself into a reset-requiring corner...
I think a massive reset button is inevitable at this stage. Unfortunately RTD doesn't seem capable of doing "epic" without writing himself into a reset-requiring corner...
Im trying not to think about mentioning the reset button, but with RTDs track record for using it, its inevitable.
I dont want to think about the next hour of Tens life to be reset to a prior time with The Doctor being sent back in his current re-generated state to a previous year with out remembering whats happened, due to the timelords wiping his memory of events. Kind of like a system restore point for all you PC users. *Ducks*
Hopefully, the writing team will come up with something that is worthy of not using a reset type device. Even if he uses the timelords to change events, its still essentially a re-set button moment.
To be perfectly honest, its either a reset button, or, most annoyingly its a scene with buttons being pressed to stop the end of whatever will happen. Just like the finale of last season.
I have hopes, but at the same time, i have doubts. We'll find out in a weeks time.
I'd be ok with a reset button à la 'Last of the Timelords' - it didn't happen, but for the people we cared about, it did.
I think it's looking very likely as if the end of the Time War will be changed, so that might lead to some major reset. The 'end of time' talk points in that direction as well. I guess, we'll have to wait and see. It'll be a long week, that's for sure.
I think it's looking very likely as if the end of the Time War will be changed, so that might lead to some major reset. The 'end of time' talk points in that direction as well. I guess, we'll have to wait and see. It'll be a long week, that's for sure.
I think that's what would happen. Everything for the ninth and tenth Doctors happened to the Doctor, but like the Year that Never Was, no one remembers it other than the people at the heart of the vortex.
I've thought for a while that the reset in "Last of the Time Lords" was like the gun on Chekhov's mantelpiece. It was there to prepare the audience for what was going to happen. The Ood Infodump reinforces that; it reminds the audience that time can be reset. I don't think the purpose of that scene was to remind audiences about Lucy Saxon at all. The Doctor's underplayed line about time being rewound was the more significant thing.
My only problem with the Masters resurrection is the "botched" concept that Lucy disrupted it. I would have liked the resurrection to have occured as it happened on screen and then have the Master perhaps kill Lucy for betraying him or loosing "faith" in him and then reveal Naismith was behind it and introduce the plot involving trying to make his daughter immortal which I thought was lame. The Master decides to go along with this for now but as in the episode proper re-writes the Gate's programming as he quickly figures out what it's real use is and uses it to create the Master Race. No electric powers, no weird "I'm doing this for my daughter and have weird incest vibes going on" relationship between Naismith and his daughter. No Hannibal Lecter homage or commando capture of the Master. This also leads into a more epic confrontation between the Doctor and Master which would happen inside the Naismith Mansion or wherever he had stashed the Gate. The Master activates the gate and steps into it...I haven't figured out where to put the "knocks four time" line in though. The Silvercloak stuff still happens in the first half intercut with the Master scenes, minus the Minnie ass grabbing, Wilf and Doctor have their cafe discussion regarding Donna and the Doctor's loneliness and we get a line about loosing his family to the Time War. We get the big reveal of the Time Lord's as it happened and the episode starts as it did proper as well. What does everyone think?
To me, I prefer the idea that the Time War did happen but the Time Lords--save the Doctor and the Master--were banished somewhere outside of time at the end of it...but the Doctor was unaware of this and has gone through two incarnations believing the Time Lords were extinct.
And now they are returning...
I couldn't be happier if it turns out that way, because I tend to agree with the Sixth Doctor that the Time Lords may be the biggest villains of them all.
And now they are returning...
I couldn't be happier if it turns out that way, because I tend to agree with the Sixth Doctor that the Time Lords may be the biggest villains of them all.
^ They do appear to be portrayed in this way. Perhaps during whatever event the Doctor caused or weapon he used to destroy both Gallifrey and Skarro that the Time Lord's were able to save themselves by relocating into N-Space or The Void or some such.
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