The E-D was built on the ground, don't see why The 1701 couldn't
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ST-One
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Well, you know, the glowing, spinning nacelle-caps and those blinking running-lights all over the Enterprise-model were added for purely scientific reasons, and not at all because they would look good on color-TV.
And Captain Kirk carried a magic wand and a Book of Spells because, hey, what do you think this, Cosmos?
Well, there was that one episode...
Well, I'm convinced that the Enterprise will be built on the ground, then raised into orbit using a whirlwind spell.
By Yoda's new apprentice, Darth Potter.
They have to build it one the ground, so it won't be attacked by droid fighters. It's all really very straight-forward.
GodThingFormerly
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Please feel free to cite the sources in your possession that quote Gene Roddenberry - or any other TOS staffer - invoking scientific accuracy to justify either the nacelle caps or running lights(*).
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* The running lights may actually have a real-world application when maneuvering in crowded (by other space vehicles and platforms) planetary orbits where relative velocities can range from zero to several kilometers per second, particularly if a segment of the orbit passes through the planet's shadow cone.
And I should point out that an effect (the nacelle caps) obviously intended to dramatize the awesome energy of the M/AM reactors is hardly in the same league as "OMG! Look how kewl! The Enterprize is blasting off from Lombard Street!"
GodThingFormerly
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Nice edit. Still being watched?A shame we only get TGT lite...
You are more than welcome to start an online petition demanding that T'Bonz remove me from her "sudden death" watch list, Morphi, but don't expect too many signatures of support.
An almost identical case could be made for the engine room intermix chambers in ST:TMP, as the Tokamak-inspired reactor prop designed and built for Phase II was substantially more realistic than the transparent shafts requested by Robert Wise.
The parking situation in Russian Hill is already hellish enough without the occasional spacecraft launch, thank you very much.
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GodThingFormerly
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So then let the ILM visual effects art director design something different, like the NCC-1701 executing a barrel roll as she exits the dock or possibly even have a bunch of other UESPA ships gather for the occasion a la Andrew Probert's painting, "Maiden Voyage".
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The TMP 3-1/2 minute "Enterprise Glory Shot" is sure great to look at (seriously -- it gives me chills) when I have the time and I pop in the DVD. However, as a scene in a "Star Trek" film, I think it only served to further slow down the pace, and to turn the film into something it shouldn't be.Yes, Trek should not be cool at all costs, in order to satisfy the demands of some of the more opinionated fans.
That way, it's guarenteed to make at least $20.
Personally, I can do without a repeat of the TMP launch. We already saw that in two movies...
Star Trek is a science fiction adventure film series; 2001: A Space Odessey was an art film. Star Trek should not try to be an art film; it should not try to be 2001.
In some respect, you got to hand it to Robert Wise in his attempt to make Star Trek: The Motion Picture more like 2001: A Space Odessey. He succeeded on some levels; it was a beautiful film to watch.
However, that success was part of the problem with TMP -- most Star Trek fans (like me) didn't want to see a Star Trek film that emulated the tone and pace of 2001...they wanted a big-screen TOS adventure.
Yep.
Apparently, though, one's fan "cool" (though I said "kewl," which everyone knows means something entirely different--I'm all for "cool") is another fan's "fucktarded." Maybe a Star Trek with the intellectual heft of a sub-Michael Bay movie will make money (and maybe it won't--anyone remember The Island?) but it most assuredly won't be good.
ST-One
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Please feel free to cite the sources in your possession that quote Gene Roddenberry - or any other TOS staffer - invoking scientific accuracy to justify either the nacelle caps or running lights(*).
TGT
It is not I who is arguing science when it comes to the depiction of the construction of the Enterprise on the Earth vs. a construction in orbit.
This just conjecture. But one I can get behind.
trevanian
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Relaunching characters and franchise, but not the ship?
A 5 minute launch sequence with the TMP music would be orgasmic.
GodThingFormerly
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I clearly recall the outlines of Scarlett Johansson's nipples as they struggled valiantly against the white dress she wore on that yacht during the opening credits, but the rest of the film is a total blur.
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