The Dominion VS Species 8472

[Jono]

The Dominion. Because they breed legions in 3 days, their shipyards run at 100% efficiency, they're willing to due 100s of suicide runs, and the Founders can infiltrate.

The Borg can do much the same yet they were losing the war with 8472, after 5 months of fighting the Borg were just weeks away from been wiped from the galaxy. We hear of one battle where the Borg lost over 300 ships, 8 planets and over 4,000,000 drones. The Borg couldn't sustain those types of losses and I doubt the Dominion could either.

8472 are a telepathic species, I wonder how successful an infiltration mission by a Founder would be?

When we saw 8472 in battle their weaponry was extremely effective against the Borg. One shot straight past the Borg cube's shields and ripping part the hull. However, against Voyager their weapons seemed far less effective. I was watching stuff on Youtube and in two scenes Voy takes a hit and her shields hold. They shouldn't. The blast should carve Voyager up. Makes me wonder if the 8472 ship's weapons were specifically tailored to fight the Borg.

 

[Marie1]

The Dominion. Because they breed legions in 3 days, their shipyards run at 100% efficiency, they're willing to due 100s of suicide runs, and the Founders can infiltrate.

The Borg can do much the same yet they were losing the war with 8472, after 5 months of fighting the Borg were just weeks away from been wiped from the galaxy. We hear of one battle where the Borg lost over 300 ships, 8 planets and over 4,000,000 drones. The Borg couldn't sustain those types of losses and I doubt the Dominion could either.

8472 are a telepathic species, I wonder how successful an infiltration mission by a Founder would be?

When we saw 8472 in battle their weaponry was extremely effective against the Borg. One shot straight past the Borg cube's shields and ripping part the hull. However, against Voyager their weapons seemed far less effective. I was watching stuff on Youtube and in two scenes Voy takes a hit and her shields hold. They shouldn't. The blast should carve Voyager up. Makes me wonder if the 8472 ship's weapons were specifically tailored to fight the Borg.

But the Borg need to assimilate people to increase their numbers, so their population is related to the people available to assimilate. If the Borg do some trial runs and encounter heavy resistance, they make move on to easier targets- the faster the Borg are taken out, the less they can learn, esp. when cut off from the collective. So they may not bother after gaining nothing and having heavy losses.

All the Dominion needs to increase in theory is the genetic Jemmie material and water. Far easier to procure. And they could just have a pilot and a cargobay with something explosive- not that hard. And that could take out 8472 as well. The Dominion still probably has thousands of ships- and the huge ones from the Valiant seem to be pouring out too.

Since the Vorta could be engineered to be telekinetic, who knows what else the Founders can do, how they can modify their peoples. And all a Founder would have to do is get in and damage things. They don't need to be telepathic. They just need to slide through spaces as a tiny rock, break the shields or something, and let the Jem'Hadar do their job.

I'm not sure 8472 would bother the Dominion... they'd probably join forces to get rid of the rest of us...

 

[DarKush]

The Dominion would probably lose against the Species 8472 of "Scorpion Pt. 1", but would trounce the Species 8472 of "In the Flesh".

 

[Cyke101]

I'm gonna go with the race that can blow up planets.

 

[Jono]

But the Borg need to assimilate people to increase their numbers, so their population is related to the people available to assimilate. If the Borg do some trial runs and encounter heavy resistance, they make move on to easier targets- the faster the Borg are taken out, the less they can learn, esp. when cut off from the collective. So they may not bother after gaining nothing and having heavy losses.

All the Dominion needs to increase in theory is the genetic Jemmie material and water. Far easier to procure. And they could just have a pilot and a cargobay with something explosive- not that hard. And that could take out 8472 as well. The Dominion still probably has thousands of ships- and the huge ones from the Valiant seem to be pouring out too.

In Star Trek there is not a shortage of people to assimilate. The Delta Quadrant seemed crowded with races. So while the Borg might be restricted to the population of the galaxy, that's still a lot of people. The Borg would have knowledge of cloning, you would think they would also make use of it.

Borg cubes are huge yet 8472 popped them like balloons. Pound for pound 8472 ships would be up there with the most powerful ships we've seen in Trek.

Ramming isn't a bad tactic, wasteful but not bad. We saw a bioship that was most likely destroyed when a cube rammed it. However, it like any other tactic can be countered.

Since the Vorta could be engineered to be telekinetic, who knows what else the Founders can do, how they can modify their peoples. And all a Founder would have to do is get in and damage things. They don't need to be telepathic. They just need to slide through spaces as a tiny rock, break the shields or something, and let the Jem'Hadar do their job.

Given how useful telepathy is as a weapon and tool you would expect that if the Founder's could they would have given the ability to the Vorta. It would make them even more formidable negotiators.

Tiny rock in space meets with ship's deflector and is moved out of the way.

I'm not sure 8472 would bother the Dominion... they'd probably join forces to get rid of the rest of us...

Unless the Dominion attacked 8472 first I doubt they would bother with the Dominion either. Their war with the Borg was provoked by the Borg and they were willing to talk with Janeway. It would seem they don't have an interest in our space and that if we leave them in peace they'll do the same. Unlike the Dominion, which is run by jerks.

 

[KaiClark]

Dominion, Breen, Cardassians, Romulans, Klingons, Feds, Tholians, Gorn, Tzenkathi together couldn't whoop 8472. Way way to strong

You must have missed the bit there a single averagely armed Federation vessel ended their massive incursion into our universe. Starfleet has a weapon that is extremely effective against them and scary enough to force a ceasefire and retreat.

Given that Voyager and the Borg managed to come up with a sort of bio-weapon that wiped the floor with 8472 I don't see why the Dominion wouldn't be able to come up with a similar weapon. Their bio-tech seems to surpass that of the Federation. Or they could attempt to steal the technology from the Federation using those sneaky Founders.

Though given the insane power of their starships. One took out a dozen cubes or something like that, and that it takes only 8 of them to blow up a planet. Whatever happens it would be very messy.

Pimp

There's your winner:The Dominion. It took Janeway and company a few days to defeat Species 8472. It took Sisko and the combined forces of the Federation, Klingons and Romulans as well as Defecting Cardassians to finally defeat the Dominion over the course of 2+ years.

 

[Hermiod]

^It took Janeway using (essentially) biological weapons against them that she then gave to them as an act of good will. It wouldn't work again.

 

[Cyke101]

Dominion, Breen, Cardassians, Romulans, Klingons, Feds, Tholians, Gorn, Tzenkathi together couldn't whoop 8472. Way way to strong

You must have missed the bit there a single averagely armed Federation vessel ended their massive incursion into our universe. Starfleet has a weapon that is extremely effective against them and scary enough to force a ceasefire and retreat.

Given that Voyager and the Borg managed to come up with a sort of bio-weapon that wiped the floor with 8472 I don't see why the Dominion wouldn't be able to come up with a similar weapon. Their bio-tech seems to surpass that of the Federation. Or they could attempt to steal the technology from the Federation using those sneaky Founders.

Though given the insane power of their starships. One took out a dozen cubes or something like that, and that it takes only 8 of them to blow up a planet. Whatever happens it would be very messy.

Pimp

There's your winner:The Dominion. It took Janeway and company a few days to defeat Species 8472. It took Sisko and the combined forces of the Federation, Klingons and Romulans as well as Defecting Cardassians to finally defeat the Dominion over the course of 2+ years.

I hate to be a stick in the mud, but Janeway beat Species 8472 because they had the Borg on their side (and thus an untold number of vastly technologically-superior ships that could launch the modified weapons). That's like saying Batman defeated the Hulk without mentioning that Superman lent a hand.

Later on, Voyager and a lone Species 8472 station were at a standoff. Voyager's weapons were specially designed to destroy them, but Species 8472 had the sheer firepower to destroy Voyager in single attack, bringing about even odds. If the station had just one ship as backup, Voyager would have been at a distinct disadvantage.

 

[Marie1]

But the Borg need to assimilate people to increase their numbers, so their population is related to the people available to assimilate. If the Borg do some trial runs and encounter heavy resistance, they make move on to easier targets- the faster the Borg are taken out, the less they can learn, esp. when cut off from the collective. So they may not bother after gaining nothing and having heavy losses.

All the Dominion needs to increase in theory is the genetic Jemmie material and water. Far easier to procure. And they could just have a pilot and a cargobay with something explosive- not that hard. And that could take out 8472 as well. The Dominion still probably has thousands of ships- and the huge ones from the Valiant seem to be pouring out too.

In Star Trek there is not a shortage of people to assimilate. The Delta Quadrant seemed crowded with races. So while the Borg might be restricted to the population of the galaxy, that's still a lot of people. The Borg would have knowledge of cloning, you would think they would also make use of it.

Borg cubes are huge yet 8472 popped them like balloons. Pound for pound 8472 ships would be up there with the most powerful ships we've seen in Trek.

Ramming isn't a bad tactic, wasteful but not bad. We saw a bioship that was most likely destroyed when a cube rammed it. However, it like any other tactic can be countered.

Since the Vorta could be engineered to be telekinetic, who knows what else the Founders can do, how they can modify their peoples. And all a Founder would have to do is get in and damage things. They don't need to be telepathic. They just need to slide through spaces as a tiny rock, break the shields or something, and let the Jem'Hadar do their job.

Given how useful telepathy is as a weapon and tool you would expect that if the Founder's could they would have given the ability to the Vorta. It would make them even more formidable negotiators.

Tiny rock in space meets with ship's deflector and is moved out of the way.

I'm not sure 8472 would bother the Dominion... they'd probably join forces to get rid of the rest of us...

Unless the Dominion attacked 8472 first I doubt they would bother with the Dominion either. Their war with the Borg was provoked by the Borg and they were willing to talk with Janeway. It would seem they don't have an interest in our space and that if we leave them in peace they'll do the same. Unlike the Dominion, which is run by jerks.

Not necessarily- there is "Borg space" and they should have assimilated what they could around that area, needing to expand to get more. But even if not, if they send a cube far from home to the GQ, they're going to quickly encounter Dominion ships, and I doubt they'll have much time to go assimilating.

The Vorta seem to get by without that capability, due to lie detection, and if they want to know more, hacking computers, or, just have shrouded Jem'Hadar follow people around... then you find out not only what they're thinking but how far they're willing to go, the planning. I mean, you may be standing next to someone and just want to kill them- which is all a telepath might pick up, then they run away, before realizing you got yourself under control.

The Dominion is def. run by jerks. Let that be a lesson- don't let jerks run things, they blow everything out of proportion. People picked on us, we're taking over the galaxy with genetically modified reptiles!!! You'll see!!!

 

[Sisko4Life]

The Dominion wins hands down. Ok its not that clear cut, but the Dominion wipes the floor with 8472 much easier than they would with the Borg.

Why? If you even bothered to pay attention in Scorpion you see that the holographic doctor created biogenic weapons. Did you not forget that the Dominion use biogenic weapons as a punishment? Ask the Teplans....

Experts in biogenetic engineering... their entire civilization is based of the genetic engineering of subject races and biogenic annihilation of other races. I pick the Dominion for this by a wide margin.

 

[Marie1]

^ I was just watching the Quickening, and I still forgot it! Plus, the Dominion uses nano-technology too, wasn't it in Battle Lines?

 

[Damask]

^ I was just watching the Quickening, and I still forgot it! Plus, the Dominion uses nano-technology too, wasn't it in Battle Lines?

Battle Lines didn't had anything to do with the Dominion. At least in the TV series.

 

[Marie1]

I thought it was really the Dominion told them to stop fighting and they didn't. So that was their punishment, to keep living that death wouldn't be the end since they refused to conceed with each other. I thought it had to do with the satalites... I guess that's not necessarily true since not all the GQ is Dominion space.

That being said, its unlikely the Dominion doesn't know about it, and wouldn't just take it if they thought that it would prove useful.

 

[Jono]

^ The Dominion had nothing to do with it. They were banished by their own species.

 

[Marie1]

Wow... but you know, I've been saying for a while we should establish a prison colony on the moon. I mean, if they escape, where are they doing to go?

But back OT, if the Dominion wants Nano-tech., looks like they'll have to steal it...

I'd imagine biological things would be quite effective, 8472 have bioships right? I wonder if the Dominion could work up something given what they know of the Breen, who also have something to that effect, don't they?

 

[Jono]

^ They did mention something to that effect about the Breen. Given the ship we saw I can't see anything very organic about it. Maybe they meant something like the Federations bio-neural technology rather then an outwardly organic vessel, such as the bio-ships used by Species 8472.