The Dominion versus the Borg

[Ferengi Prime 5]

No, it really isn't. It's not even close.

Dominion geared up pretty quick to match Romulans, Klingons, and the Federation... While being cutoff from their home quadrant... We were never ever given how vast of the Dominion was in the Gama quadrant... I think you are selling the Founders short...

 

[somebuddyX]

Unless the Dominion could wipe out the Borg in a preemptive strike, the Borg would come out ahead in the end. Dominion tech isn't all that much more advanced that the Feds and their mates. I feel like Dominion tech stagnated and there hasn't been much innovation for a thousand years and they just used their numbers to role over their enemies. Could the Jem Hadar bugs kamikaze Borg cubes to take them down or would they slide right off the shields? I think nanoprobes would take down a Founder.
For me, I feel like this idea is more interesting on the very small scale where a lone Borg scoutship and a lone Jem Hadar bug meet up on some planet in the middle of nowhere and the crews just straight up Alien Vs Predator the heck out of each other.

 

[Ragitsu]

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"Our space is vast."

 

[MarkusTay]

Size isn't always a factor. Japan had the U.S. on the ropes for the first part of WW2, and Britain held off just about everybody everywhere for the whole war, sometimes all by themselves. Both are tiny islands compared to the U.S., Russia, and China (and Russia & China were beaten up pretty bad during that war).

I do maps, and right now I am doing a ST map, and Romulan space it tiny compared to the UFP or Klingons. In fact, I think the Klingons even have the Federation beat (we are more 'sprawling', where as they are just one contiguous mass). Cardassia is even smaller than the Romulans, and the Ferengi are a joke (aren't they always?) But my point is, it isn't about size, so much as how well you maintain your empire, and your resource distribution. The Dominion actually seemed better at that than the Borg. In fact, did the Borg produce anything other than more Borg?

It also depends on time-frame. After their little war with Species 8472, the Borg lost hundreds of cubes. That had to hurt even them. They also lost dozens of planets, but that was probably negligible. Plus, the Dominion would spend some 'prep time' (Founders = Batman!) in the Delta Quadrant making allies. The only people dumb enough to befriend the Borg is..... us. So it would be a good fight. The Dominion would be sneakier, but in the end, I think the Borg have the shear numbers. Plus, the Borg are necromancers - they get more powerful by resurrecting their fallen enemies. That means that the longer a war takes, the bigger the Borg get. They are inevitable.

 

[Ragitsu]

Size isn't always a factor.

At a certain threshold, it becomes an unavoidable factor, however. Plus, the Borg have the technological means to back up their presence: sooner or later, they will adapt to anything (putting aside aliens from an alternative space/dimension). Furthermore, while I don't know precisely how long it takes to grow a Jem'hadar to fighting fitness, Borg assimilation requires little time.

 

[kkt]

Size isn't always a factor. Japan had the U.S. on the ropes for the first part of WW2, and Britain held off just about everybody everywhere for the whole war, sometimes all by themselves. Both are tiny islands compared to the U.S., Russia, and China (and Russia & China were beaten up pretty bad during that war).

Midway was the turning point in the Pacific war, so if by the "first part of the war" you mean "the first six months" then I guess so.

Britain managed to hold on to their home islands, and that's an amazing feet in itself... but they had to retreat often with very heavy losses in a lot of the rest of the world. Examples:

Dunkirk. Near miraculous that they evacuated all their troops... but they had to leave all their equipment behind! That's not how you win wars.

Singapore, loss of 80,000 troops taken prisoner, and completely preventable. They heavily outnumbered the Japanese. But they mounted the heavy artillery defending the city to face the sea, fixed in position, leaving them completely vulnerable to an attack from land.

Britain barely avoided disaster for a couple of years until the United States and USSR entered the war. Fortunately, Germany and Japan believed their own propaganda about what easy opponents the USA and USSR would be and forced them into the war.

 

[Mrs. Silvercrest]

The question I have is, the Borg do have a purpose in life and that is to reach whatever their idea of perfection is. Would either the Jem'hard and Vorta be beings they would want to add to their collective?
One is a clone the other a grown being (well they both are).
The Founders, I don't think the Borg could do anything to them.
But what could the Founders do to them? I guess being small or whatever and figure out how to blow up the ship?
Yeah?
What would the Founders think of them?

 

[Ragitsu]

What would the Founders think of them?

Still contemptible "solids", but "solids" whose power they have no choice but to respect.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

I don't care about the fight itself. I'd just love to see an assimilated Vorta or Jem'Hadar freed from the Collective, and flustering over which empire they want to stay loyal to. And/or the Vorta learning he's already been replaced by a clone, and wondering what his purpose now is.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I could imagine the Borg be completely changed by being able to create their own Drones via Jem Hadar cloning / super speed growth.

They don't even need to assimilate anymore, they can have consistent quality drones that they manufacture and raise themselves.

Quality & Quantity.

After that, all they really need is to steal knowledge & technology, then integrate the stolen knowledge & tech into their own cultural & knowledge base.

They can make specialized drones optimized for certain tasks and generic drones.

 

[DonIago]

But they consider assimilation to be a gift that benefits not just themselves but those they assimilate (or so they claim), so why would they want to stop?

 

[brandnewfan]

I do maps, and right now I am doing a ST map, and Romulan space it tiny compared to the UFP or Klingons.

I know I’m late but can you share your map when finished?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

But they consider assimilation to be a gift that benefits not just themselves but those they assimilate (or so they claim), so why would they want to stop?

That's "The Borg's" PR department talking to you.

If they stop assimilating species, you have less species vengeful on trying to destroy you.

Less conflict = Less enemies who are trying to kill you.

After what Janeway did at the end of Voyager, they should've realized that making more enemies is counter productive to the goal of existing.

What better way to survive then to avoid creating more enemies.

 

[Maurice]

Britain held off just about everybody everywhere for the whole war, sometimes all by themselves.

Only If you consider "lend lease" to mean "all by themselves".

 

[Ferengi Prime 5]

Only If you consider "lend lease" to mean "all by themselves".

You in the wrong time frame, check the years from 1775 to 1785. The British fought a global war on a few continents and won all the conflicts except one... WW2 was "lend lease"...

 

[kkt]

You in the wrong time frame, check the years from 1775 to 1785. The British fought a global war on a few continents and won all the conflicts except one... WW2 was "lend lease"...

MarkusTay did say he was talking about WW II.