The Discovery influenced Klingon ship design?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Groppler Zorn, May 27, 2018.

  1. Dukhat

    Dukhat Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    That sounds like something Diane Duane would have done.
     
  2. Timo

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    John M. Ford, actually. Although perhaps he gleaned it from a piece of RPG background that he didn't personally write?

    Ford was full of cool "retcons" or apologies in his two very short Trek works...

    Bernd Schneider has the full dirt on Klingon ship classes up at Ex Astris Scientia now. Seems quite a few of the Binaries background ships did make a reappearance after all, there actually being three near-identical versions of the "K'tinga somebody with a hot butt sat on" design alone. All the more difficult to make these disappear in future seasons or headcanon or whatever. But perhaps worth the effort?

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  3. The Mighty Monkey of Mim

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    I don't see why any such effort should be needed. We have already seen in both the 22nd and 24th centuries that there are various other Klingon ships (or at least ships used by Klingons) that conform no more or less to "traditional" hull designs than do the DSC designs...

    "Judgment" (ENT):
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    "Bounty" (ENT):
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    "Sons Of Mogh" (DS9):
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    "Rules Of Engagement" (DS9):
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    "Sons And Daughters" (DS9):
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    ...so why not in the 23rd as well?
     
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  4. DaveyNY

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    I've always thought that the "Son's of Mogh" ship, looked similar to Disney's "Cygnus" from "The Black Hole".
    (without all the internal lighting of course)

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  5. The Mighty Monkey of Mim

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    It was actually a re-use of the Promellian battle cruiser from "Booby Trap" (TNG), which in turn was re-purposed from the 1986 film Night Of The Creeps:
    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/TNG_studio_models#Promellian_battle_cruiser

    EDITED TO ADD: And of course, it's possible this is more or less true in-universe as well, with it being a ship seized by Klingons from some hapless subjects or enemies or whatever. That was the rationale attributed behind the scenes to the redressing of the Cardassian freighter to serve as the Klingon ones in "Sons And Daughters" (DS9) by David Stipes. But of course, that wasn't ever firmly established in the episode...and could for all we know be equally true (i.e., completely or not at all) of some DSC designs.

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  6. King Daniel Beyond

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    Holy shit is that a spin on the infamous "one wing" from old FASA manuals showing up in "Sons of Mogh"???

    How did I never notice that?:eek:
     
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  7. Timo

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    ...In "Sons", the ship shown docked may not match the plot requirement for the Klingon means of arrival - Noggra refers to a shuttle accident, with "our shuttle" resulting in Kurn-now-Rodek getting hurt. If Noggra had a ship, why take Rodek to be treated at DS9 rather than onboard that ship, especially one as big as the one shown?

    But eliminating the Promellian design from the Klingon menagerie is not a good idea in itself. It's just a balance between diversity and uniformity: perhaps all Klingons have diverse "civilian" ships but the Empire goes to war with a uniform fleet (of the latest design, perhaps, but primarily because war needs streamlined logistics). And religious crusades and inter-House fighting represent exceptions to the Imperial way.

    Or something.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  8. The Mighty Monkey of Mim

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    No, but you just caused me to go look up what you were talking about...this thing isn't even on Memory Beta!

    "D-11 (One Wing) Class VI-VII Destroyer"

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    Weird, yet probably not the weirdest FASA design I've ever seen!
     
  9. Timo

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    So much easier when the artist doesn't need to sweat symmetry on those bits he hasn't copy-pasted...

    Also, Klingons as Space Nazis. Blohm & Voss would be proud. (And Eaves might be interested, what with the aircraft fetish he's currently flaunting. Plus he has done some pretty good asymmetric sketches for STO.)

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  10. XCV330

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    I liked the NATO classification idea, and ill forward on that idea to say Klingon houses may dress their ships up in various ways that an Imperial vessle would not, essentially a lot of fru-fru and ship bling trappings. The core chassis, its powerplant, warp emiters, etc would be what tactical scans would be looking for, and those would probably get a bland classification D7 or D6, etc.

    In battle, the bridge don't want to hear, "Enemy vessel spotted. It's a 'D7 House of Kozak Battlecruiser' with wing facade extensions and bloodwine fountain in the wetbar. The outer cladding recently replaced the original work by controversial ship artist Kthing, in lieu of a more traditional bird of prey motiff..."

    "that's enough"
     
  11. DaveyNY

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    Heh ...
    Now..., imagine Chekov saying all that.
    (and adding interesting tid-bits about how all the "fru-fru's" originated in Mother Russia")
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  12. Mr. Laser Beam

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    One Wing to wule them all...
     
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  13. XCV330

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    the outrigger helps for when the Klingons have to paddle through space on the starboard side.
     
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  14. fireproof78

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    Why? There is no reason to assume Klingons have just one or a limited design of starships.
     
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