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The Discovery influenced Klingon ship design?

Actually, it would seem that the two class names are simply the Regular and Mirror versions of the same thing.

After all, the "Rascals" footage is simply the "Yesterday's Enterprise" footage recycled, with a special emphasis on showing how huge these BoPs are in relation to the E-D in both cases. All the new ship shots or compositions in "Rascals" further support the hugeness. The bigger size helps explain their success in combat. The small crew may simply reflect the concept of the Ferengi not really having the resources to operate the ships for any extended period of time - they were merely obtained for this heist. Although the episode never actually specifies the crew as small. It only mentions that the boarding party is not overwhelmingly large, i.e. can be overwhelmed by our heroes. Probably most Ferengi don't want to stick out their stubby necks and join the boarders... There might be hundreds back on the ships for all we know.

Believing in the "Big BoP vs. Small BoP" model seems reasonable enough, given the evidence. But we only know the canon dialogue names of the big version, in two universes. The smaller version, as flown by Martok, is never properly given a name, not even in background graphics (although an Okudagram describing the ship from which Worf ejected in "Penumbra" identifies that BoP as a K'Vort, we don't learn her size from the graphic).

As for the Hur'q, things can go either way. Canon only ever identifies them as raiders and invaders, never as an occupying or oppressing force, but Klingons might have gained a thing or two even from raiders, or may belittle a shameful longterm occupation as a mere raid.

I'm all for the idea that the Light of Kahless caused all sorts of rarely seen Klingon riffraff to crawl out of the woodwork, with ships dedicated to furthering their own agenda rather than supporting the ongoing Imperial expansion. Much of the arsenal at the Binaries might in fact be unsuited to combat, being scraped from the bottoms of House barrels in impromptu support of T'Kumva and his politically convenient but unexpected agenda. Later on, the real fighting is done exclusively by just three of the types: the crescent-winged BoP (which IMHO is a nice member of the overall BoP family), the baroque Destroyer (seen finishing off the Gagarin), and the flat Battle Cruiser which is what one gets if sitting hard on a K'Tinga.

The D7 is just a prison barge (and Saru calls it a BoP, but Saru probably is a fool). The Ship of the Dead is a family heirloom turned into a religious object; its size helps it in combat, but it may be a neutronic fuel tanker originally for all we know. And the weirder designs only ever appear at the Binaries.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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What if the design of the discovery influenced the Klingon design language? What if the attack on the ship of the dead and discovery’s legendary status led the Klingons to try and emulate the design? Maybe they were trying to come up with something to match the Crossfield class? So they redesigned the D7.
The fake D-7 is actually called Sech class in the material Eaglemoss received directly from CBS. Someone just got their wires crossed resulting in it being identified as D-7 on screen.

Let's be honest, communication behind the scenes on this show is so spotty it's practically non-existent.
 
The fake D-7 is actually called Sech class in the material Eaglemoss received directly from CBS. Someone just got their wires crossed resulting in it being identified as D-7 on screen.

Let's be honest, communication behind the scenes on this show is so spotty it's practically non-existent.
Maybe They'll over-dub the line to be Sech Class in the Blu-ray's.
Isn't all that hard to do.
:shrug:
 
The fake D-7 is actually called Sech class in the material Eaglemoss received directly from CBS. Someone just got their wires crossed resulting in it being identified as D-7 on screen.

Let's be honest, communication behind the scenes on this show is so spotty it's practically non-existent.

Or D7 is the Federation reporting name, like how NATO has their own names for Russian and Chinese aircraft.
 
Or D7 is the Federation reporting name, like how NATO has their own names for Russian and Chinese aircraft.
If you really want to bend over backwards to somehow rationalise the complete botching of whatever Klingon reboot they were going after, sure. This approach works out just dandy.
 
If you really want to bend over backwards to somehow rationalise the complete botching of whatever Klingon reboot they were going after, sure. This approach works out just dandy.
It doesn’t really contradict the rest of Star Trek, nearly every other ship in the franchise has a Klingon name.
 
Maybe They'll over-dub the line to be Sech Class in the Blu-ray's.
Isn't all that hard to do.
:shrug:

^ I'd have no problem with that.

I doubt that will happen.

Or D7 is the Federation reporting name, like how NATO has their own names for Russian and Chinese aircraft.

If you really want to bend over backwards to somehow rationalise the complete botching of whatever Klingon reboot they were going after, sure. This approach works out just dandy.

It doesn’t really contradict the rest of Star Trek, nearly every other ship in the franchise has a Klingon name.

Why is it up to us fans to have to rationalize stuff that the producers clearly don't care about? This is a fictional fucking show. So when I hear the name "D7," I expect to see this, the ship we've known as the D7 for over 50 years, not this, a random pile of shapes and lights that was just randomly chosen for the scene. I don't need to make up an explanation to justify someone else's apathy. And I also don't need other fans telling me that it's ok because it's all in the 'spirit' or 'lore' of Star Trek. Screw that. I care about this sort of stuff, because I'm a Trek starship nut, and what I see annoys me.
 
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Why is it up to us fans to have to rationalize stuff that the producers clearly don't care about? This is a fictional fucking show. So when I hear the name "D7," I expect to see this, the ship we've known as the D7 for over 50 years, not this, a random pile of shapes and lights that was just randomly chosen for the scene. I don't need to make up an explanation to justify someone else's apathy. And I also don't need other fans telling me that it's ok because it's all in the 'spirit' or 'lore' of Star Trek. Screw that. I care about this sort of stuff, because I'm a Trek starship nut, and what I see annoys me.
As a longtime fellow starship nut, I urge you and everyone else to recall the origin of the term "D-7":

I WENT ON THE STAGE ONE DAY, AND THEY WERE ALL READY AND WAITING FOR ME, BECAUSE THEY KNEW I WAS REALLY EXHAUSTED FROM SOME LONG RE-WRITE SESSIONS. AS SOON AS I WALKED UP TO THE SET, BILL AND LEONARD BLEW A SCENE, BUT THEY DID IT ON PURPOSE AND BEGAN ARGUING VERY VIOLENTLY. BILL WAS SHOUTING AT THE TOP OF HIS VOICE, "LEONARD! WHAT DO YOU MEAN SAYING THIS IS A D-7 KLINGON SHIP! IT'S A D-6!" LEONARD SHOUTED BACK, "NO, YOU IDIOT, THE D-6 HAS FOUR DOORS OVER HERE AND THE D-7 ONLY HAS TWO!" BILL IMMEDIATELY SHOUTED BACK, "NO, NO, NO—IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND. YOU'VE GOT IT ALL WRONG."

WHILE ALL OF THIS IS GOING ON, I'M STANDING THERE, BEGINNING TO GET FRUSTRATED, WATCHING THE MINUTES TICK BY AND MENTALLY COUNTING THE MONEY WE'RE LOSING IN EXPENSIVE CREW TIME, BECAUSE THE CAMERAS AREN'T ROLLING. AND AS THE ARGUMENT CONTINUED, I'M THINKING TO MYSELF, "WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT? THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR!" THEN I BEGAN THINKING THAT I SHOULD REMEMBER WHICH IS THE D-6 OR THE D-7. FINALLY I COULDN'T STAND IT ANY MORE, AND SO I WALKED IN BETWEEN THEM AND SAID, "COME ON, FELLOWS, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. LET'S GET ON WITH THE SCENE." THEN THE WHOLE CREW BROKE UP LAUGHING. THIS WAS THEIR WAY OF SAYING TO ME, "HEY, TIME IS NOT THAT SERIOUS. RELAX A LITTLE."

-Gene Roddenberry, The Making of Star Trek (1968)

To my eyes it appears this was a deliberate in-joke referring back to that, just as every other use of the term was. Many of the writers are fans too, you know.

In other words...it's not that serious. Relax a little.

-MMoM:D
 
Your first mistake is assuming that I didn't already know the origin of the term.Your second mistake is assuming that that matters to me at all. But I'll cut you some slack because you're a fellow Flare brother ;)
On the contrary, I assumed you must! That's why I said "I urge you to recall..." ;)

And if it doesn't matter to you at all, wherefore annoyance and casting of aspersions upon the production?

This isn't meant in a bragging way, but personally, I got this one right off, right from the instant my own impulse was to go "what do they mean calling that a D-7 Klingon ship???" and I realized they had just pranked me like Shatner and Nimoy pranked Roddenberry. It seems evident to me that this was a deliberately-placed lightning rod, meant to attract, channel, deflect and disperse surely-anticipated complaints and pedantry from fandom regarding DSC's production design choices, daring and trolling each and every one of us starship nuts to presume that their nerd cred wasn't every bit as good as ours...and come out looking every bit as ridiculous as we'd complained their ship designs did! The joke is on us, and I think it's actually pretty funny, and maybe more than just a little brilliant!

(Hope you and all others here and over at Flare are well. I have not been around much recently on account of various stuff, including protracted illnesses and deaths in my family. I see things have been pretty much the same without me, though! Carry on...)

-MMoM:D
 
(Hope you and all others here and over at Flare are well. I have not been around much recently on account of various stuff, including protracted illnesses and deaths in my family. I see things have been pretty much the same without me, though! Carry on...)

Sorry to hear about your woes. Unfortunately, Flare is pretty much dead, and has been for some time. I think I can count on one hand the number of members that still post there. But I am still active. And every once in awhile someone will post a good find...like I will in a day or two :)
 
Sorry to hear about your woes. Unfortunately, Flare is pretty much dead, and has been for some time. I think I can count on one hand the number of members that still post there. But I am still active. And every once in awhile someone will post a good find...like I will in a day or two :)
Well, your finds have generally been quite good (for all us starship nuts anyway), so looking forward to whatever it may be! Take care.

-MMoM:D
 
As a longtime fellow starship nut, I urge you and everyone else to recall the origin of the term "D-7":

I WENT ON THE STAGE ONE DAY, AND THEY WERE ALL READY AND WAITING FOR ME, BECAUSE THEY KNEW I WAS REALLY EXHAUSTED FROM SOME LONG RE-WRITE SESSIONS. AS SOON AS I WALKED UP TO THE SET, BILL AND LEONARD BLEW A SCENE, BUT THEY DID IT ON PURPOSE AND BEGAN ARGUING VERY VIOLENTLY. BILL WAS SHOUTING AT THE TOP OF HIS VOICE, "LEONARD! WHAT DO YOU MEAN SAYING THIS IS A D-7 KLINGON SHIP! IT'S A D-6!" LEONARD SHOUTED BACK, "NO, YOU IDIOT, THE D-6 HAS FOUR DOORS OVER HERE AND THE D-7 ONLY HAS TWO!" BILL IMMEDIATELY SHOUTED BACK, "NO, NO, NO—IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND. YOU'VE GOT IT ALL WRONG."

WHILE ALL OF THIS IS GOING ON, I'M STANDING THERE, BEGINNING TO GET FRUSTRATED, WATCHING THE MINUTES TICK BY AND MENTALLY COUNTING THE MONEY WE'RE LOSING IN EXPENSIVE CREW TIME, BECAUSE THE CAMERAS AREN'T ROLLING. AND AS THE ARGUMENT CONTINUED, I'M THINKING TO MYSELF, "WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT? THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR!" THEN I BEGAN THINKING THAT I SHOULD REMEMBER WHICH IS THE D-6 OR THE D-7. FINALLY I COULDN'T STAND IT ANY MORE, AND SO I WALKED IN BETWEEN THEM AND SAID, "COME ON, FELLOWS, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. LET'S GET ON WITH THE SCENE." THEN THE WHOLE CREW BROKE UP LAUGHING. THIS WAS THEIR WAY OF SAYING TO ME, "HEY, TIME IS NOT THAT SERIOUS. RELAX A LITTLE."

-Gene Roddenberry, The Making of Star Trek (1968)

To my eyes it appears this was a deliberate in-joke referring back to that, just as every other use of the term was. Many of the writers are fans too, you know.

In other words...it's not that serious. Relax a little.

-MMoM:D
What really gets me about this story is that it has to have not only happened decades before the name D7 was confirmed in canon, but before it even had a design. They were "arguing" about a ship that didn't even exist yet. No wonder Gene was confused.
 
I think at some point in TrekLit or some other non-canon background materials, or maybe in totally unofficial fanon, the "D" was retconned as being short for "Drell," whatever that means.

Kor
 
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