The Different Versions of the Enterprise

[Cary L. Brown]

section9 said:
Dadgum, but we are looking for the 1701, kids. Problem is, Dr. Boyce can't come walking in with his hip flask of very dry martini. Cabins can't look like a Motel 6.

Look, people don't pop diskettes into the comm board to have a sheaf of paper data pop up out of the printer. Not since, say, 1997, anyway. What will change will be the ship's internals.

Watch for some jokester to put Apple insignias somewhere on the ship. I suspect that the ship remains basically the same.

I don't fundamentally disagree with what you said, but it's important to point out that in the entire run of TOS, including the pilots, we saw a grand total of ONE sheet of paper-like material get printed out. Am I wrong about that?

And the "floppy disk" you mentioned. Well... maybe we don't use floppies much anymore, but we DO use removable media every bit as much today as we ever have. I can't imagine removable media going away. Today we use "thumbdrives" or "memory sticks" or whatever... but the concept is the same. I honestly don't foresee that going away, not today, not next year, not in 200 years. I DO imagine that each of those little "floppy disk" devices probably could hold the Library of Congress, scanned to high-resolution TIF format... but that, like always, they'll find a way to fill 'em up entirely.

For example... the "meal cards" that people carry around and slip into the messhall food slots. Why can't those cards carry individual replicator patterns for the person's individual dietary plan? We know that they get their food "assigned" (McCoy assigned Kirk a "green leaves" diet for a while, remember!)

 

[Jimmy_C]

ancient said:
Well, I'm sure there will be lots of new stuff for them to design. It's possible that the designers might find it neat to recreate certain elements. That's what happened with the SW prequels. There was a shitload of new stuff, but they recreated several elements, such as the TANTIVE IV corridor. Maybe the main difference between the new model for the ENT and the old one will be more like the differences between CG Yoda and puppet Yoda. Same basic design, just...way better presentation.

+1 probably the correct answer. There's nothing wrong with a redesign, but neither is there anything wrong with just more detail.

 

[Plum]

Don't knock Apple... if the aliens in Independence Day used it it must be ok. oh wait, didn't Jeff Goldblum use his Mac laptop to just upload...

Yea, perhaps not.

 

[Shaw]

Plum said:
Don't knock Apple... if the aliens in Independence Day used it it must be ok. oh wait, didn't Jeff Goldblum use his Mac laptop to just upload...

Yea, perhaps not.

Yeah, if I was to guess what platform the aliens were using in that movie (based on how quickly their systems succumb to a virus) I'd have to say Windows.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Only if the aliens were idiots - I've been using various versions of Windows at work and on the Internet since 1994, and have yet to have a significant virus problem on any of those machines.

 

[Patrickivan]

Apple???

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Oranges.

 

[section9]

No, I'm looking for somebody to score a product placement scam in this movie. The little box CRT's on everyone's desks will have Steve Jobs' little Apple on them. Watch. Everyone's tunics will have the Enterprise insignia on the left breast and Nike Swoosh on the collar. Within a fortnight, you'll be able to get them at Sports Authority.

And if there is a god, a character that looks suspiciously like Jar Jar will accidently get evacuated out of an airlock. I suspect there may be some subtle visual nods to Lucasfilm.

 

[David cgc]

Starship Polaris said:
Only if the aliens were idiots - I've been using various versions of Windows at work and on the Internet since 1994, and have yet to have a significant virus problem on any of those machines.

They don't have to be idiots: It was an expected message coming from a trusted client. Under those circumstances, pretty much any machine would've had the doors opened.

Windows just makes it a little too easy to walk through them.

 

[Shaw]

Starship Polaris said:
Only if the aliens were idiots - I've been using various versions of Windows at work and on the Internet since 1994, and have yet to have a significant virus problem on any of those machines.
(emphases mine)

I've been on the internet since 1994 using primarily Macs, but also using Sun, SGI and NeXT systems and haven't had ANY virus problems... at all... not even a good threat of such problems.

But I would point out that users of Windows NT 4, 2000 and XP were hit with a massive attack because Microsoft had built in a back door to those systems back in 1996 so that they could never be shut out of them. The only reason that the attack wasn't worse was because the writer of the code hadn't tested it on NT 4 systems, and it caused those systems to crash, alerting people to the infection early in the spread. Short of not being on the internet or part of a network, users of those systems had no defense at the beginning of that outbreak.

While I'm not arguing your point, are you really sure that you would want to classify all the people who were effected by that virus as idiots just because they trusted Microsoft? I consider Windows users to be misguided, but I wouldn't go so far as to call them idiots.

If you want a vivid comparison of what Windows users face compared to Mac users, the odds of a Windows user getting attacked (even a careful Windows user) over the past five years is about the same as getting a flat tire on your car. The odds of a Mac user getting attacked (even a careless Mac user) over the past five years is less than your odds of getting struck by lightning.

So this should be considered a strong word of advice to all Mac users to be more careful during lightning storms!

 

[section9]

Re: The Different Versions of the Enterprise <<SPOILER>>

Leak from the set, kids. Outside look of Big E apparently stays the same. Inside totally different. Article here:

http://syfyportal.com/news424604.html

Key graph from interview with Dawn Brown, a set designer who is working on the movies:


"I think a lot of hardcore fans are going to freak out," Brown told SyFy Portal's Will N. Stape. "As far as I know, only the exterior of the Enterprise had to stay the same. I don't know if that came from J.J. or Paramount."

That's the key graph right there, folks. Lots of changes inside though.

 

[USS Mariner]

Re: The Different Versions of the Enterprise <<SPOILER>>

section9 said:
Leak from the set, kids. Outside look of Big E apparently stays the same. Inside totally different. Article here:

http://syfyportal.com/news424604.html

Key graph from interview with Dawn Brown, a set designer who is working on the movies:


"I think a lot of hardcore fans are going to freak out," Brown told SyFy Portal's Will N. Stape. "As far as I know, only the exterior of the Enterprise had to stay the same. I don't know if that came from J.J. or Paramount."

That's the key graph right there, folks. Lots of changes inside though.

That still says nothing.

 

[ancient]

Re: The Different Versions of the Enterprise <<SPOILER>>

They best be keepin' the Engineering set Exactly as it was in all the episodes of TOS. Even though the layout was radically altered about 6 times. And was slightly different in all the other episodes. And sometimes morphed into a gym. Or theater. Or church.

The point is: Abrams is stupid.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Shaw said: the odds of a Windows user getting attacked (even a careful Windows user) over the past five years is about the same as getting a flat tire on your car.

And if one knows how to change a flat it's a minor nuisance at most. I've never bought a car on the basis of which model gets the fewest flat tires.

 

[number6]

Re: The Different Versions of the Enterprise <<SPOILER>>

section9 said:
Leak from the set, kids. Outside look of Big E apparently stays the same. Inside totally different. Article here:

http://syfyportal.com/news424604.html

Key graph from interview with Dawn Brown, a set designer who is working on the movies:


"I think a lot of hardcore fans are going to freak out," Brown told SyFy Portal's Will N. Stape. "As far as I know, only the exterior of the Enterprise had to stay the same. I don't know if that came from J.J. or Paramount."

That's the key graph right there, folks. Lots of changes inside though.

SyFy Protal is the Drudge Report of sci-fi. With all the spin of the O'Reilly Factor and no real facts. This article is as useful as a pair of bull titties.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Re: The Different Versions of the Enterprise <<SPOILER>>

number6 said:

section9 said:
Leak from the set, kids. Outside look of Big E apparently stays the same. Inside totally different. Article here:

http://syfyportal.com/news424604.html

Key graph from interview with Dawn Brown, a set designer who is working on the movies:


"I think a lot of hardcore fans are going to freak out," Brown told SyFy Portal's Will N. Stape. "As far as I know, only the exterior of the Enterprise had to stay the same. I don't know if that came from J.J. or Paramount."

That's the key graph right there, folks. Lots of changes inside though.

SyFy Protal is the Drudge Report of sci-fi. With all the spin of the O'Reilly Factor and no real facts. This article is as useful as a pair of bull titties.

No, it's not. SyFy Portal is unreliable, full of spin, and lacking in facts. But you ruined your argument by comparing it to things that are it's OPPOSITE.

Now, if you'd mentioned CNN, or mentioned Keith Olberman... then you might have had a valid comparison. As it is, you just missed the boat entirely.

(Feel free to put your own personal political spin into unrelated topics if you like, but don't expect everyone to kiss your ass over it.)

 

[number6]

Re: The Different Versions of the Enterprise <<SPOILER>>

I missed no boat. And my ass is waiting for your gracious pucker.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: The Different Versions of the Enterprise <<SPOILER>>

Cary L. Brown said:
SyFy Portal is unreliable, full of spin, and lacking in facts. But you ruined your argument by comparing it to things that are it's OPPOSITE.

Nope. The Drudge comparison was quite apt, and not at all politically biased - just observant.

 

[Shaw]

Starship Polaris said:
And if one knows how to change a flat it's a minor nuisance at most. I've never bought a car on the basis of which model gets the fewest flat tires.

Well, odds have to do with frequency, not severity. Virus attacks can cause issues resulting anywhere from a small nuisance to the loss of someone's life work.

I have to wonder... how much of what you do today could you have done on your Windows systems 10 or 15 years ago? And how much more would you have done had you had the right tools back then rather than waiting for Windows to catch up with other platforms?

You are right, you shouldn't make choices like that based on trivial things... but I don't think that crippling someone like you with Windows of the 1990s can be considered trivial.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Shaw said:
You are right, you shouldn't make choices like that based on trivial things... but I don't think that crippling someone like you with Windows of the 1990s can be considered trivial.

Sorry, that was never the case. I've been writing, animating, designing and communicating (even - eek! - programming) on PCs and compatibles with ease since the 1980s. Having worked for years in DOS, I've never found one GUI or operating system any more or less limiting than another.

I can understand why people who don't know how to use or maintain computers or weren't using them professionally prior to the early 1990s might have a higher comfort level with Apple. That they need to challenge others about it, given that the vast majority of the productive computer use in the world is done - by choice of every major organization and most individuals - on more flexible and expansive systems than Apple can offer is mildly off-putting.