^Data and the Borg Queen... ew...
The difference between TOS and TNG movies
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At least the queen's attempts to lure Data into the collective and/or to keep him occupied resolved around something essential to Data's character, his aim to become more human. Had that been Insurrection-style, the queen would have tried to make use of his before unknown fallings for a good double-cheese pizza. No one in the collective makes better pizza than the queen... to add insult to injury, we would probably have got to know that in the case of an emergency, Data's torso can also function as a (pizza) oven...
For me, I think the big difference/reason is that, like seigezunt alluded to, I could "feel" the vibrancy in the TOS characters.
The TNG ones, unfortunately, to me, even after seven years on TV and 3 movies (never cared enough to see NEM, either fortunately or unfortunately), are... nothing. Nada. Ciphers. Zilch. About as tasty as Wonder Bread.
Seriously. To me, none of them in particular stand out or "hook" a scene... Just IMO, of course.
Cheers,
-CM-
The TNG ones, unfortunately, to me, even after seven years on TV and 3 movies (never cared enough to see NEM, either fortunately or unfortunately), are... nothing. Nada. Ciphers. Zilch. About as tasty as Wonder Bread.
Seriously. To me, none of them in particular stand out or "hook" a scene... Just IMO, of course.
Cheers,
-CM-
Also, it wasn't until the TOS movies that the chars truly began to develop as chars and as people, so that was also a big change that drew fans in.
With the TNG movies the chars more or less devolved as characters from how they developed on TV.
Also, there wasn't much demand for Trek movies at the time of the TNG ones. TNG just ended its run, DS9 and VOY were still on. Why bother spending cash on movies when you get the same stuff for free on TV?
With TOS, the movies were the only new trek available at the time.
With the TNG movies the chars more or less devolved as characters from how they developed on TV.
Also, there wasn't much demand for Trek movies at the time of the TNG ones. TNG just ended its run, DS9 and VOY were still on. Why bother spending cash on movies when you get the same stuff for free on TV?
With TOS, the movies were the only new trek available at the time.
TOS: Solve problems. Age. Face death and life.
TNG: Invert a polarity to send a subspace burst, fluctuating temporal relationships between matter and anti-matter. Again.
Seriously. we're not 10 minutes into 'Generations' and the Enterprise-B is shooting some kind of 'blue force' out of it's deflector array.
TNG: Invert a polarity to send a subspace burst, fluctuating temporal relationships between matter and anti-matter. Again.
Seriously. we're not 10 minutes into 'Generations' and the Enterprise-B is shooting some kind of 'blue force' out of it's deflector array.
Like I said, there was a large enough gap between TOS and the TOS movies that they could age the crew, give them promotions, update the ship designs and uniforms, etc.
With TNG, there was no gap between the TV series and the movies, so th movies really wouldn't have been much different from the TV show.
Plus they had to worry about DS9 and VOY as well. Since those shows were on concurrently with the TNG movies the movies couldn't do any big adventures that affect the Trek Universe without messing with those two shows. The DS9 staff were mad enough about the Borg attack in FC.
They should've waited a few years before doing TNG movies.
With TNG, there was no gap between the TV series and the movies, so th movies really wouldn't have been much different from the TV show.
Plus they had to worry about DS9 and VOY as well. Since those shows were on concurrently with the TNG movies the movies couldn't do any big adventures that affect the Trek Universe without messing with those two shows. The DS9 staff were mad enough about the Borg attack in FC.
They should've waited a few years before doing TNG movies.
^Maybe they should have. Unfortunately, the studios wanted money...
Maybe they should have started the TNG movies NOW instead of the Abrams TOS film (I'm still willing to give JJ's opus a chance, though). There might have been demand for a TNG film in 2007 if there had been no TNG since ALT. This is a slightly longer timetable than between "Turnabout Intruder" and TMP, but it might have helped stir demand - absense making the heart grow fond, all that good stuff....
Part of it -- and I hate to say it -- may relate to the abilities of the performers to do things other than perform.
Nimoy and Shatner held great sway over the scripts, starting with TMP. Nimoy made a fine director, and so did Frakes.
As Stewart and Spiner gained more and more creative control (as part of their casting negotiations), stories got worse and worse.
Actors do not necessarily have good story sense.
Nimoy and Shatner held great sway over the scripts, starting with TMP. Nimoy made a fine director, and so did Frakes.
As Stewart and Spiner gained more and more creative control (as part of their casting negotiations), stories got worse and worse.
Actors do not necessarily have good story sense.
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