The Delta Flyers now covering DS9

[Crewman6]

Wow brief this week and they didn't have much positive to say about Sons and Daughters but fair enough really!

Sons and Daughters sucks and is sadly the weak link in the six-episode arc.

It's extremely shitty how the writers just decided to up and ignore Alexander when Worf joined the DS9 crew and then a couple years later were like, "oh, right, Alexander. I guess we should acknowledge him somehow." And the only way they could do it was to make the show's ignoring Alexander a plot point thus turning Worf into a huge gigantic a-hole.

When Alexander says, "You abandoned me," Worfs rejoinder should have been, "Well, that was really just the writers."

 

[MakeshiftPython]

They made an episode titled "Sons and Daughters", with Alexander and Ziyal serving as the alluded characters in the title. Naturally, the title being what it is, means it's as much about the fathers (sorry, dead mothers). That the chosen characters being Alexander and Ziyal means of course the fathers are Worf and Dukat...

So, I guess that means the episode is asking for us to compare and contrast the relationship between the fathers and children... in which case... what were they thinking when they depicted Worf as being an objectively worse father than Dukat? What were they trying to say here? Dukat is a deluded dictator, but he's a loving father? Worf is an honorable man, but he's an emotionally abusive father? WHYYYY???

Also, that ending with Worf embracing Alexander is just confusing as hell. At first I thought they were trying to imply that Alexander intentionally locked himself in the room to sacrifice himself if things got sour when fixing the plasma whatever (shades of Spock). He managed to fix it and survive. That's why he's smiling, because he was not only prepared to die but he managed to fix the ship and save everyone. Worf found his actions to be worthy of a warrior and it made him respect his son more. But, it could also be read that Alexander accidentally locked himself in the room as the writers decided he's a klutz, and it can play that way... if that's actually the case, why does that make Worf proud of him?

Easily the weakest of the seven-episode arc. I think Worf is generally a better written character on DS9 than he was on TNG, so that makes episodes like this and "Let He Who Is Without Sin..." really baffling. Behr has always expressed pride in the fact that the DS9 characters are not perfect, are capable of making more mistakes than the TNG crew and can have character flaws. I think they try that with Worf in those instances but instead of making him a likable but complicated character they miss the mark and just make him look like an asshole in those instances.

 

[kkt]

Voyager couldn't have recurring characters dropping into the ship very often. And when they did have some recurring villains (like the Kazon/Seska) characters in season one, it underscored the fact that Voyager's progress getting home was extremely slow.

That said, because the ship was insular, that provided a wealth of opportunity to have recurring characters among the crew. They could have dipped into a deep well of other Voyager crew members again and again.

Sure, they'd all necessarily have to be Starfleet officers, thus you wouldn't get the wide range of characters DS9 had. But they certainly could have tried. They just really didn't bother, with a few very brief exceptions. The show was just utterly devoid of ambition and vision.

They didn't all HAVE to be Starfleet officers. They could have been Maquis drawn from any number of possible backgrounds. They just, as you say, didn't bother.

 

[kkt]

Sons and Daughters sucks and is sadly the weak link in the six-episode arc.

It's extremely shitty how the writers just decided to up and ignore Alexander when Worf joined the DS9 crew and then a couple years later were like, "oh, right, Alexander. I guess we should acknowledge him somehow." And the only way they could do it was to make the show's ignoring Alexander a plot point thus turning Worf into a huge gigantic a-hole.

When Alexander says, "You abandoned me," Worfs rejoinder should have been, "Well, that was really just the writers."

Ha! "I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way!" - Jessica Rabbit

 

[Crewman6]

They didn't all HAVE to be Starfleet officers. They could have been Maquis drawn from any number of possible backgrounds. They just, as you say, didn't bother.

But it raises the question of just how many Maquis crew members really were on Chakotay's tiny ship. We have Tuvok, B'Elanna and Chakotay, then the lower deckers from "Learning Curve" and maybe a few other random extras here and there. And Suder?

But, yeah, they could have turned those Learning Curve characters into interesting recurring characters, but they didn't. (not that they were interesting in that episode, but the idea is sound.)

Voyager was a show all about blown opportunities and this is definitely a biggie.

 

[Tosk]

But it raises the question of just how many Maquis crew members really were on Chakotay's tiny ship.

Stadi in Caretaker: "Crew complement of one hundred and forty one."
Chell in Repression: "Ever since Voyager began sending datastreams back home, Starfleet has known that almost a quarter of the crew is Maquis."

 

[VDCNI]

After a good run they all managed to be quite annoying this week, Behind The Lines.

Robbie kept to his, everything has to be underlined in dialogue attitude. Not trusting the audience to understand anything.

Garrett added to his long list of terrible jokes with Worry Worf.

Armin complained about then forcing Nog to serve drinks because he was a Ferengi and ignoring that it was because he was a Cadet. Then he invented a scene from a prior episode of Kira having Cardassian guards who escorted her to Ops and the three of them then congratulated each other on their ideas of how to 'fix' the scene.