Exactly. I'm sure a lot/most of us can drive, but that doesn't mean we're getting in an F1 car tomorrow.
Playing catchup with these, currently nearly finished “Children of Time”. I think Terry’s confusion with the time travel (or “timelines” as they kept calling it) was that she thought they had travelled 200 years into the future. If you listen to what she’s saying with that in mind, it kinda makes more sense.
But yeah, general confusion all round from them. I was 13 when this episode was originally released and I’m pretty sure I understood it back then perfectly well.
But yeah, general confusion all round from them. I was 13 when this episode was originally released and I’m pretty sure I understood it back then perfectly well.
It seems every time I look forward to an episode, this show lets me down. I was hoping the conversation about "In the Cards" would be fun and lively, as it's a fairly unique and silly episode and is an all-too-rare showcase for Jake, who the hosts are a big fan of.
And while the ratings the hosts gave the show were fair enough (at least none of them needlessly trashed it), the conversation was just so dull....
I'm really losing patience with this show. I only listen to it during my long commutes, but I'm honestly thinking of jumping ship. I'll probably stick around at least through the season six six-parter, but after that, who knows? Staring out the car window into space might be a better use of my time.
And while the ratings the hosts gave the show were fair enough (at least none of them needlessly trashed it), the conversation was just so dull....
I'm really losing patience with this show. I only listen to it during my long commutes, but I'm honestly thinking of jumping ship. I'll probably stick around at least through the season six six-parter, but after that, who knows? Staring out the car window into space might be a better use of my time.
Yeah I was surprised how short the podcast was but that seems to be par for the course recently. They don't seem to have huge amounts to talk about lately just as DS9 is going up another gear. Surely Call To Arms has got to generate a lot more discussion, though I'm surprised they didn't make it an Armin and Terry episode.
I wondered what the scores were for In The Cards, they sounded positive but you can never tell with them.
I wondered what the scores were for In The Cards, they sounded positive but you can never tell with them.
Well, at the time I wrote my previous comment, I had turned off the "In the Cards" episode, but I did finish it and I was happy to discover they had a short, but entertaining interview with the Geiger actor, Brian who is apparently an old friend of Robbie's.
He was really fun to listen to and appeared in TNG, DS9 and Voyager. And he actually remembered a lot about his experiences and spoke highly of the episodes he was on.
A shame he wasn't a regular, as his memories (admittedly for only a handful of episodes instead of the nearly 200 the regulars appeared on) were pretty sharp and it was nice to hear someone wax appreciatively of his time on the shows.
He was really fun to listen to and appeared in TNG, DS9 and Voyager. And he actually remembered a lot about his experiences and spoke highly of the episodes he was on.
A shame he wasn't a regular, as his memories (admittedly for only a handful of episodes instead of the nearly 200 the regulars appeared on) were pretty sharp and it was nice to hear someone wax appreciatively of his time on the shows.
Mostly a gush fest this week, particularly from Terry, but how can it not be when you're reviewing Call To Arms.
Slightly bemused that they all seem to have forgotten the big fight sequence between the station and the Kilingons in Way of the Warrior but otherwise just enjoyed the hour plus of them praising one of Trek's greatest ever episodes.
Slightly bemused that they all seem to have forgotten the big fight sequence between the station and the Kilingons in Way of the Warrior but otherwise just enjoyed the hour plus of them praising one of Trek's greatest ever episodes.
I'm glad Terry really liked the episode. Response from the other two was favorable, but muted. While it doesn't completely fire on all cylinders, the episode is so ambitious and crams so much into it, that it's hard to be too critical of it. Points for effort and I certainly enjoyed "Call to Arms" more than the guys.
And, yeah, it's always interesting to see what things (often very big things!) they forget or just plain miss. I mean, they're watching the episodes at a fairly rapid rate so it's a lot to take in, but "The Way of the Warrior" was a pretty big event. I'm always surprised when they actually do remember important details/connections/continuity, as it seems to be more rare.
Some details just completely slip their notice. I don't think they've yet figured out Bajor has a 26 hour day. Although they finally/recently put together that the station has a different computer voice other than Majel Barrett since it's a Cardassian station, which confused the hell out of them for a looong time.
I'm glad you've mentioned that (but it was probably a year ago or so that they did WotW so can get them forgetting
They thing I've always questioned is how much of the Dominion attack on DS9 was repurposed and how much new - I'm sure a number of the strafing shots swap out BoP for Dom fighters and the pylon weapons are surely just reused.
I did think they improved massively for Call to Arms and A Time to Stand - RDM and GW definitely in awe of something on a scale that they didn't really get to experience in Voyager.
Terry does get muddled by the sci-fi bits of the show but when it comes to relationships between characters (and the actor's dynamics) I do think she brings a fair bit.
Their reaction to seeing Damar mirrors my memory of seeing his character and it is 100% why he became the breakout character of seasons 6 and 7
Their reaction to Adm Ross was also appropriate and the quotes from ISB (I think) of how he was the first admiral to feel fully rounded are bang on
In Call to Arms they mention how good it was the DS9 could develop such a well rounded set of supporting actors and say how it wasn't possible on Voy due to being a ship always on the move....totally ignoring that other than Martok and Dukat the "semi regulars" were permanently on the station and Voy could have easily had more recurring crew members if it had wanted
They don't seem to be able to get their heads around Julian though - saying there should have been more hints early on and the crew should have pointed it out more when he did use his brain.
This entirely ignores how a man child got the job of CMO at such a young age (clearly using his abilities) but also explains how awkward and socially iffy he was through having to hide his true nature early on - and the respect shown by his crew mates (except when Garak throws shade) for his struggle by not pointing out the moments he uses those abilities
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Re Bashir, I’m also not sure what they were expecting since we know, and they know, that the whole genetic enhancement thing was literally thought up for Doctor Bashir, I Presume. It’s one thing to complain that the idea was thought up there and then with there being no hints in the past, but to say “they should have hinted in previous episodes”… how could they have? 
Also enjoyed RDM criticising the director in opening scene of A Call to Arms for having boring closeups of Rom and Leeta using long lenses, then praising the (same) director in A Time to Stand for doing the same thing with Odo and Kira.
Enjoyable couple of episodes though for the most part.
Also enjoyed RDM criticising the director in opening scene of A Call to Arms for having boring closeups of Rom and Leeta using long lenses, then praising the (same) director in A Time to Stand for doing the same thing with Odo and Kira.
Enjoyable couple of episodes though for the most part.
Even to the point that VOY did add characters that could have recurred and then they just never used them again. Like the Learning Curve* and/or Equinox crewmembers.
*Yeah, i know Chell showed up one more time in the final season.
Icheb was probably the most developed outside the main cast - think Vorrik did alright for appearances but other than his Pon Farr episode I don't think he did anything noteworthy; Naomi Wildman had a few goes but was still a child so they couldn't do much anyway.Even to the point that VOY did add characters that could have recurred and then they just never used them again. Like the Learning Curve* and/or Equinox crewmembers.
*Yeah, i know Chell showed up one more time in the final season.
I always hated Icheb because to me he represented the writers' refusal to further develop the recurring crew they already had since the first episode. So when his eye got pulled out of his socket in PICARD I was like "good, fuck that guy". I'm reasonably petty like that.
Voyager couldn't have recurring characters dropping into the ship very often. And when they did have some recurring villains (like the Kazon/Seska) characters in season one, it underscored the fact that Voyager's progress getting home was extremely slow.Even to the point that VOY did add characters that could have recurred and then they just never used them again. Like the Learning Curve* and/or Equinox crewmembers.
*Yeah, i know Chell showed up one more time in the final season.
That said, because the ship was insular, that provided a wealth of opportunity to have recurring characters among the crew. They could have dipped into a deep well of other Voyager crew members again and again.
Sure, they'd all necessarily have to be Starfleet officers, thus you wouldn't get the wide range of characters DS9 had. But they certainly could have tried. They just really didn't bother, with a few very brief exceptions. The show was just utterly devoid of ambition and vision.
One of the big problems with "Dr. Bashir I presume" is the fact that it's so utterly out of the blue.Re Bashir, I’m also not sure what they were expecting since we know, and they know, that the whole genetic enhancement thing was literally thought up for Doctor Bashir, I Presume. It’s one thing to complain that the idea was thought up there and then with there being no hints in the past, but to say “they should have hinted in previous episodes”… how could they have?
Also enjoyed RDM criticising the director in opening scene of A Call to Arms for having boring closeups of Rom and Leeta using long lenses, then praising the (same) director in A Time to Stand for doing the same thing with Odo and Kira.
Enjoyable couple of episodes though for the most part.
And, no, it really doesn't track with anything we knew about Julian up until that point. A guy who's "hiding" his abilities isn't boastful like young Bashir was, he doesn't become second in his class, he certainly doesn't pursue a career as a professional tennis player (was he "throwing" those games, too, like we're supposed to believe he was always throwing darts.) Did Bashir "throw" his racquetball games with O'Brien, except when he mopped the floor with him? He certainly didn't "throw" the racquetball games he describes playing at Starfleet medical, when he was captain of the team.
Was Bashir "hiding" his abilities when he got excited to be nominated for a prestigious medical award?
None of it tracks whatsoever with his character and the writers deciding to give him Vulcan-levels of computorial skills was compounding the problem. Fortunately, they stopped doing that almost immediately (though the damage was done) and Siddig later admitted he delivered those lines as badly as he could so they would stop doing it.
A far better concept, that would have made an infinitely better episode, is that Bashir discovers he's been genetically engineered all along. The engineering brought him to the level he's been operating at all along. No "hiding" his abilities, his known abilities are the results of the engineering and the whole thing utterly shatters Bashir and guts his self-image. That's real drama. Having him have known the whole time is a dramatic dead end. Who cares? What's the story? It just makes him a liar for his whole life and introduces infinite continuity issues.
"Rocks and Shoals" was a solid episode, though I wonder why they picked that one to have both Terry and Armin on, considering Armin isn't in it. It's so rare to have all hosts, they should have saved it for an episode of significance, like Call to Arms or A Time to Stand. Or at least something that uses most of the ensemble.
But I'm glad Quark liked the episode. He did bring a whiff of his pedantry to the discusion, but bought it back with his effusive praise for the episode. I always liked this one myself, though even I probably wouldn't rate it as highly as he and Terry did.
But I'm glad Quark liked the episode. He did bring a whiff of his pedantry to the discusion, but bought it back with his effusive praise for the episode. I always liked this one myself, though even I probably wouldn't rate it as highly as he and Terry did.
Yes the double duty this week puzzled me so soon after Call To Arms where it would have worked better.
But a decent episode though I could have done without the whole, they should have given Terry more lines thing.
But unless I missed it I was a bit surprised there was no real mention of the final shot of Keevan wandering through the bodies while Sisko is tempted to shoot him.
But a decent episode though I could have done without the whole, they should have given Terry more lines thing.
But unless I missed it I was a bit surprised there was no real mention of the final shot of Keevan wandering through the bodies while Sisko is tempted to shoot him.
Sure, but they all raised good points by say either Dax should have been more involved and more integral to the episode - maybe she just has a broken leg and can't walk around outside - OR her injuries should have added jeopardy to the entire episode.
Not, "Dax is so weak all she can do is be a prop in the background for the entire episode, but also she's in no danger whatsoever."
It feels like over the season they tried to give everyone their “focus” episodes but also wanted to get people their residuals so in real life it was to background her a bit and also give some of the guest crew their time to shine so we felt it more when they died at the end
In episode it probably could have been done better but I say that well after the fact but knowing that when I’ve watched the episode it never took me out of things or spoiled it
In episode it probably could have been done better but I say that well after the fact but knowing that when I’ve watched the episode it never took me out of things or spoiled it
It's primarily a Sisko episode. After him and the guest stars, it's a miracle the regular cast had so much to do.
