Thinking about it, Bashir was implicitly there to be a health official for the sector, not just the station's doctor. In the very first episode, he quips about frontier medicine or his research on Bajoran health issues.
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Well, I turned off "The Ship" after about five minutes* of incessant, needlessly negativity over absurd minutia. It was all of the hosts at their absolute worst. Bleh.
*five minutes of actual show following an excessively long intro involving digressions into Armin's play (just how far in advance DO they record these?) and their new merch. Zzzz
*five minutes of actual show following an excessively long intro involving digressions into Armin's play (just how far in advance DO they record these?) and their new merch. Zzzz
If you like The Ship I'd avoid this week's episode which is an endless stream of nonsensical nitpicking.
Garrett's comment sums up the level they're operating at - if they didn't recognise the Jem'Hadar warp core later how can they open the hatch so easily! I don't know Garrett maybe hatches aren't as complicated as warp cores, just maybe.
Garrett's comment sums up the level they're operating at - if they didn't recognise the Jem'Hadar warp core later how can they open the hatch so easily! I don't know Garrett maybe hatches aren't as complicated as warp cores, just maybe.
It's so bad even their Patreon forum isn't impressed and they are normally 99% positive.
I was only a low level member but I've cancelled now, this episode was the final straw.
I'm sure i can live without their nonsense ratings, Garrett's 'comedy' missing scenes and their patrons repetitive questions.
Where is this forum?
Good for you.
I've said it before, but Garrett is arguably the least funny person on the planet. And, speaking of patrons, if I never hear another pretentious screed from wanna-be director Jason Oaken, it'll be too soon.
I think it's only viewable to patrons.
It just shows up on my Patreon home page. They post the new episode and you can leave comments.
I also cancelled my Patreon after getting increasingly infuriated. Think my sub must be ending very soon, I just briefly dipped in and was staggered by the negativity so not bothering to listen. Garrett is on another planet. He thinks “The Ship” is the worst episode of DS9 ever and he wanted to give it a MINUS 5 or something. The comments on Patreon are ripping them to bits for the negativity which is eye opening.
Genuinely don’t get it. “The Ship” is a great episode. What an absolute bunch of moans.
Apparently Terry and Armin are only watching the episodes they’re commenting on, which I think is disappointing. Think they’re all just in it for the extra cash tbh.
Genuinely don’t get it. “The Ship” is a great episode. What an absolute bunch of moans.
Apparently Terry and Armin are only watching the episodes they’re commenting on, which I think is disappointing. Think they’re all just in it for the extra cash tbh.
HF! They are effectively knocking on the episode because Colm Meaney is Irish.
I'm all for "we all have different opinions" but that is a pretty tough one to fathom.
I wonder if they have just gotten sick of doing this. Now that they're not revisiting old times via their own episodes, maybe this has become a "I hate my job" situation.
Feck.
I would suspect that the worst that could be said that this is a workman action episode. The pacing is a little fast, but the interaction between Hopkins and Brooks is rather magical.
It's a perfectly solid episode. Not great, certainly not bad. I'd probably rate it about a 7 myself.
But it also happens to be better than roughly 85% of all of Star Trek Voyager and doesn't even crack DS9's 20 worst episodes. (while DS9 has a few stinkers, it's ratios are far superior to literally every other Star Trek series.)
Well, I found it nice to hear them so clearly articulate all the problems with this episode. I agree with almost all of it. Today, anyway. I liked "The Ship" back in the day, but it has not aged well.
Everything they criticized this for is exactly what I thought of it in my rewatch a few days prior. The tension between the crew isn't well-played or effectively justified, and there are so many lines I just don't buy from the characters. The O'Brien/Munoz relationship doesn't land and they don't have chemistry. Multiple scenes in a row fail to build tension, just keep it running at a plateau. There are all sorts of logical problems with the behavior of the Jem'Hadar and how their tech operates.
I liked it in the 90's because of how refreshing it was to have an episode that recognized the humanity of the redshirts, and dwelled on the significance of their deaths instead of moving right along. All the other episode problems were less of an issue because of how new and powerful the punch of the final scenes were. (in isolation, those scenes do still hold up, and they all praised them, and then Robbie & Terry gave surprisingly high ratings basically on the strength of just this).
But nowadays, it's not fresh and new to have TV that understands all life has value, even extras and guest stars. It does take the overall impact down quite a lot, coming to this episode today.
But, I don't argue that the rest of you will probably be happier moving on. Since you mostly so intensely loathe the experience of hearing episodes dissected from an entertainment industry perspective, dropping a podcast whose purpose is to dissect the episodes from an entertainment industry perspective seems like the right call!
Everything they criticized this for is exactly what I thought of it in my rewatch a few days prior. The tension between the crew isn't well-played or effectively justified, and there are so many lines I just don't buy from the characters. The O'Brien/Munoz relationship doesn't land and they don't have chemistry. Multiple scenes in a row fail to build tension, just keep it running at a plateau. There are all sorts of logical problems with the behavior of the Jem'Hadar and how their tech operates.
I liked it in the 90's because of how refreshing it was to have an episode that recognized the humanity of the redshirts, and dwelled on the significance of their deaths instead of moving right along. All the other episode problems were less of an issue because of how new and powerful the punch of the final scenes were. (in isolation, those scenes do still hold up, and they all praised them, and then Robbie & Terry gave surprisingly high ratings basically on the strength of just this).
But nowadays, it's not fresh and new to have TV that understands all life has value, even extras and guest stars. It does take the overall impact down quite a lot, coming to this episode today.
But, I don't argue that the rest of you will probably be happier moving on. Since you mostly so intensely loathe the experience of hearing episodes dissected from an entertainment industry perspective, dropping a podcast whose purpose is to dissect the episodes from an entertainment industry perspective seems like the right call!
I believe that's what big city types sometimes call a strawman?
I'd say something mean about the level that much of their perspective seems to be operating on, but why beat a dead horse?
Very much so,
If this is what was really happening, I would have expected a deeper, more insight, and more nuanced analysis from McNeill about how budget affects a production when looking at Homefront/Paradise Lost, especially given the struggles of the series on which he is an executive producer and director.
Instead, he was petty and obstinate.
It’s happened a lot and, rather than making me respect and admire his experience as a producer, it’s had the opposite effect and would actually make me avoid his work. While he sometimes makes insightful comments re directing, there are so many times I’ve been scratching my head. His instincts with regard to story and execution are often way off base to me. He routinely suggests redundant subplots that would cut into valuable episode time and clash tonally with the main plot. He suggests making an episode like “Accession” a two or three parter even after it was explicitly stated that the executives did not want Bajor episodes at all and the writers had to push extremely hard to slip just one through.
I just don’t get it sometimes, and the Homefront/Paradise Lost analysis was a particular nadir in terms of his input. Garrett seems clueless as an “industry insider” and while I’ve liked hearing some of Terry and Armin’s experiences, they’re both prone to over-nitpicking and when everyone piles on it’s just not much fun to experience.
Been listening to another podcast from a favourite show recently and it’s light hearted, silly and they point out the dumb bits but it’s done with so much fun and love, making it a pleasure to experience. Something nice to dip into after rewatching an episode.
I do think these guys obviously like each other and enjoy chatting but the actual watching and reviewing of the show is coming across a chore and they’re way more focused on picking it apart than enjoying it. Definitely feels more like obligation than pleasure in many ways.
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They don't. At all. Terry and Garrett barely work any more, anyway (if at all) and their "analysis", such as it is, is almost entirely devoid of any real boots-on-the-ground insights that you'd expect longtime industry vets to have. Most of the time, they hardly remember anything, anyway.
Armin's observations are so stunningly ignorant sometimes I have half-jokingly mused on this discussion multiple times that it seems like he's hardly ever seen a TV show before, let alone acted in hundreds of episodes.
As for Robbie, sure, he often has comments about the technical aspects of production which are valuable to hear, but very often loses the big picture.
Oh, if only they dissected the episodes from an "entertainment industry" perspective.But, I don't argue that the rest of you will probably be happier moving on. Since you mostly so intensely loathe the experience of hearing episodes dissected from an entertainment industry perspective, dropping a podcast whose purpose is to dissect the episodes from an entertainment industry perspective seems like the right call!
They don't. At all. Terry and Garrett barely work any more, anyway (if at all) and their "analysis", such as it is, is almost entirely devoid of any real boots-on-the-ground insights that you'd expect longtime industry vets to have. Most of the time, they hardly remember anything, anyway.
Armin's observations are so stunningly ignorant sometimes I have half-jokingly mused on this discussion multiple times that it seems like he's hardly ever seen a TV show before, let alone acted in hundreds of episodes.
As for Robbie, sure, he often has comments about the technical aspects of production which are valuable to hear, but very often loses the big picture.
THis is rather damming. He, as an executive producer, should be able to account for the demands of the studio on television shows and be aware on his own what would cause red flags with them.
