The Delta Flyers now covering DS9

[Bad Thoughts]

Of course, who could be blamed for forgetting "Paradise"? I suspect most of us who do remember wish we could forget!

Why would I forget one of the most badass moments in Star Trek?

 

[Crewman6]

I think you might need to read that quote again. Like I pointed out, Garrett is remarking that it's the only two-parter with different titles SO FAR, because his comments are always from the perspective of so far. He's not saying this is "the only two partER IN THE series" that has different titles, he's referring to the episodes as a "two part series." He's not making any statement about future events at all here.

Did he use the words "so far?" No, he did not. According to the quote, he actually says "only." So he either was making a mistake or he should have been much more clear. Still calling it an error on his part and a glorious victory for me.

Of course, who could be blamed for forgetting "Paradise"? I suspect most of us who do remember wish we could forget!

Meh. There are worse episodes. It's not great, but not awful. But, for once, the Delta Flyers hosts actually point out legitimate flaws in the storytelling on that one, instead of getting things hilariously wrong. So, good on them.

 

[Crewman6]

I might give them a pass for two reasons. First, Improbable Cause and The Die is Cast are not in all sense a two parter. They did not emerge as a singular story. Instead, they are two stories that have been connected together, which is how Behr and Moore talk about them. Second, the editor of the podcast (and from what I understand, it is zealously edited) may be cutting out discussions that would make this more precise.

If it says "to be continued" at the end, it's a two-parter. End of story.

That said, the idea that Homefront and Paradise Lost are the first two parter with differently named is superfluous when the first multiparty story had three differently named episodes.

Good point!

 

[Tosk]

I like Paradise.

If it says "to be continued" at the end, it's a two-parter. End of story.

Especially if it's one where if you were to skip the "Previously On..." you would have no idea what the hell is going on.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Homefront/Paradise Lost are a fantastic 2-parter. In a weird way it's refreshing to see Earth. Political drama is a genre that lends itself well to the franchise. Plus we get a space battle between 2 starfleet ships.

These episodes also have consequences that ripple throughout the series. For all we know Leyton may have been aware of the morphogenic virus plot and been complicit in it. Little red squad shit gets killed along with the rest of them so they get what they deserve. Jaresh-Inyo fails to get re-elected presumably because of this.

 

[ananta]

It is a seminal DS9 two-parter and one of the key points in the series. I slogged through the commentaries, thankfully Terry elevated the energy for Paradise Lost even though she was overly critical too. Garrett, at one point, after seeing how high the audience appreciation score was, “Are we being too critical?” Um, no shit. It’s dampened my enthusiasm for continuing to tune in. Robbie was being particularly annoying because I was seeing a kind of superior and condescending side to him. Even though the two-parter was flawed and hampered by budgetary limitations, Voyager could only ever dream of delivering such meaningful and intelligent drama, characterisation, continuity of narrative and genuine heart.

 

[Crewman6]

Even though the two-parter was flawed and hampered by budgetary limitations, Voyager could only ever dream of delivering such meaningful and intelligent drama, characterisation, continuity of narrative and genuine heart.

So true. Since Robbie gave the two-parter a 4 and then a 6, if he were to be internally consistent, then the scores of 90% of the Voyager episodes they reviewed should range from a zero to a 2.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Against my better judgement, I listened to the (free) coverage of Paradise Lost. The waves aren't moving. Sisko drinks milk? Colm Meaney is a dud? Why holster a phaser? So much concern trolling over minutiae. But what really gor me was their obsession with the lack of visuals to match the story's ambition. I get that they didn't have the money, but FFS, Robbie, a director and producer, actually says he can't visualize the story without it being put out in front of him. WTF? Isn't your job to see the visuals in the words on the page?

ETA: he also made a bone-headed comment about actors' pay. He said they should have brought back Shepard in place of O'BRIEN. OK, but then he said it would be cheaper? How? That's probably another day to pay the actor.