a lot of the rebel pilot and bounty hunters names come from either the novels or the Kenner toys...
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Yeah. I knew the name. But back then, when there was no Internet, everybody I knew bought the official magazines of these type of movies. I remember there being promotional posters with the name Palpatine on them.
I believe it was also mentioned in the original novelization of Star Wars.
This is actually a good thing, IMO. Even though Lucas wanted to sell a bunch of toys, he didn't want to make it quite that obvious. Compare that to the PT, where nearly everybody's name is mentioned in dialogue so you know what toy to look for.
Reminds me of the old GI Joe and Transformers cartoons.
^Isn't Qui-Gon not addressed as anything other than "master" until halfway through TPM? (I believe RLM brought this up) Also a lot of the Jedi masters weren't named-not even sure Mace Windu was either. The most marketable villains of course were (Darth Maul, General Grievous) as were a good chunk of the podracers (Especially in the DVD/blu-ray extended cut of the scene) but plenty of ships and others were not.
Also the word lightsaber is never mentioned in TPM as well-just "Laser sword". Although it was suppossed to be mentioned in a scene where Obi-Wan misplaced his saber (This scene was rewritten a bit and used in AOTC when Anakin makes a similar mistake).
Also the word lightsaber is never mentioned in TPM as well-just "Laser sword". Although it was suppossed to be mentioned in a scene where Obi-Wan misplaced his saber (This scene was rewritten a bit and used in AOTC when Anakin makes a similar mistake).
Mace Windu wasn't named, but he didn't really have to be. He was Samuel L. Freakin' Jackson!
I was thinking more of these lines:
ANAKIN : Since I was very little, three, I think. My Mom and I were sold to Gardulla the Hutt, but she lost us, betting on the Podraces, to Watto, who's a lot better master than Gardulla, I think.
And:
ANAKIN : (Cont'd) Hi! Your buddy here was about to be turned into orange goo. He picked a fight with a Dug. An especially dangerous Dug called Sebulba.
AMIDALA : Senator Palpatine?!? (turns to Panaka) What's happening?
JAR JAR : Oh boot tis! Tis demunded byda guds. Tis a live debett, tis. Mesa culled Jar Jar Binkss.
As for Darth Maul:
DARTH SIDIOUS : Good. I will see to it that in the Senate, things stay as they are. I am sending Darth Maul to join you. He will deal with the Jedi.
Although that was from the script I found on BlueHarvest.net. I thought in the film he actually says "this is my apprentice, Darth Maul".
I guess it isn't as bad as I thought! Though the Anakin lines are pretty bad.
well, Jar Jar's introducing himself to Qui-Gon, so that's excuseable. and Sidious does say 'this is my apprentice, Darth Maul' before adding 'he will find your lost starship for you', thus telling the Neimodians who the guy is and what he's going to do. which is also excuseable.
Leia's last name "Organa" was never spoken on-screen in the OT.
Mace Windu wasn't named, but he didn't really have to be. He was Samuel L. Freakin' Jackson!
I was thinking more of these lines:
ANAKIN : Since I was very little, three, I think. My Mom and I were sold to Gardulla the Hutt, but she lost us, betting on the Podraces, to Watto, who's a lot better master than Gardulla, I think.
And:
ANAKIN : (Cont'd) Hi! Your buddy here was about to be turned into orange goo. He picked a fight with a Dug. An especially dangerous Dug called Sebulba.
AMIDALA : Senator Palpatine?!? (turns to Panaka) What's happening?
JAR JAR : Oh boot tis! Tis demunded byda guds. Tis a live debett, tis. Mesa culled Jar Jar Binkss.
As for Darth Maul:
DARTH SIDIOUS : Good. I will see to it that in the Senate, things stay as they are. I am sending Darth Maul to join you. He will deal with the Jedi.
Although that was from the script I found on BlueHarvest.net. I thought in the film he actually says "this is my apprentice, Darth Maul".
I guess it isn't as bad as I thought! Though the Anakin lines are pretty bad.
"I'm Han Solo, Captain of the Millennium Falcon"
That's two right there.
How about Wedge while we're at it?
Watto is probably as important as Wedge if you think about it.
Is this about people only named once or people being named period and then later used as a toy? Although I don't know for a fact Wedge was ever used as a toy, he's certainly featured a main character (for most of Star Wars: Rogue Squadron for example).
I have no idea what much is about anymore. I just knew that Wedge was named on screen in the first film. 
But I do believe, and/or agree with the point, that, whether by design or happy accident, the way information was doled out in the OT drew, no sucked, us in.
It seemed that something tangible was there behind the scenes. It seemed that the cross section of explicit references that were given was a naturally and appropriately chosen sample that comprised but the tip of an iceberg, that invited us to dig for more.
But I do believe, and/or agree with the point, that, whether by design or happy accident, the way information was doled out in the OT drew, no sucked, us in.
It seemed that something tangible was there behind the scenes. It seemed that the cross section of explicit references that were given was a naturally and appropriately chosen sample that comprised but the tip of an iceberg, that invited us to dig for more.
At the time of the original film, some of these names that weren't spoken onscreen were still all over the novelization, comics, trading cards, and other products and promotional material. Anyone who cared to know knew what the name of Luke's planet was. (I never realized that it wasn't said in the film until years later when I was watching the films repeatedly on home video.)
Here's a question for somebody with more time on their hands than me....Was Tatooine named on the small screen in the Holiday Special...?
Here's a question for somebody with more time on their hands than me....Was Tatooine named on the small screen in the Holiday Special...?
I have no idea what much is about anymore. I just knew that Wedge was named on screen in the first film.
But I do believe, and/or agree with the point, that, whether by design or happy accident, the way information was doled out in the OT drew, no sucked, us in.
Exactly. I think that is why I was thinking the PT named every character - because when a character was named, it felt forced and unnatural. Probably because most of the dialogue felt forced and unnatural.
I have no idea what much is about anymore. I just knew that Wedge was named on screen in the first film.
Watto was mentioned in the first prequel movie. There seemed to be some belief that names were simply name-dropped in prequels when there was no need to mention them. I found that to be nonsensical.
I think it just had to do with the dialog being better. "I'm Han Solo, Captain of the Millennium Falcon" certainly doesn't dole out anything slowly. It just happens that the movies were better so we don't nitpick them as much as the prequels. This whole thing is a stupid thing otherwise. The fact that Windu's name wasn't mentioned and Qui-gon's name wasn't mentioned until halfway through the film gets ignored, but Luke's planet not being mentioned in the first movie is considered a stroke of genius. It's the same thing, just in better movies.
Exactly.
I never meant to suggest myself that the doling was slow. I just said, among other things and in my unfortunately typically wordy way, that the selection of what to dole out was made "naturally and appropriately". In this way, I agree with your point completely that the dialog is "better". I'm just offering a technical reason that I believe is one reason why the dialog is better in the OT.
For example,
Who's Anakin talking to, Qui-Gon or the audience? Sounds like the audience.
Carrie Fisher's character was always listed as Princess Leia Organa in the ending credits though.
Every line is said to the audience. It's a movie.
I thought the point was to show that Anakin was more experienced with the universe between the first and second movies.
I'm pretty certain he has. Everyone in Star Wars has an action figure, even the guy running around Cloud City with an ice cream maker.
Yes, Alidar Jarok, I know this.
What I meant was that the purpose of the dialog seemed specifically engineered to be informative to the audience, and with respect to trivia at that, more so than to further relations between the characters in the form of natural dialog between people in the universe.
In other words, Anakin's dialog there comes infinitely closer to breaking the fourth wall than Solo's. That's what I meant by "addressing the audience".
Here's how I would have improved the line.
We don't care that Sebulba's a "Dug", in that it doesn't further the story in any way; there's plenty of other opportunity to show us how precocious Anakin is. Furthermore, why would Anakin assume that Qui-Gon doesn't know what a Dug is, or that Sebulba is a Dug, since Sebulba's established as being famous? And, we were already told his name, Sebulba, or if we missed it in the Huttese, we'll pick it back up when his name is announced in the pod race.
Simple and effecient, this revision invites the audience to laugh at "Bantha fodder", rather than scratch their heads at "orange goo", and it still serves the purpose of fostering camaraderie as the original version does. It also moves things along, and doesn't let them get bogged down in trivia, or smack of self-promoting product placement.
I forgot when the line was (I was thinking second movie for some reason).
If it's Jake Lloyd saying it, it isn't fair to complain. He'd make any line sound terrible.
If it's Jake Lloyd saying it, it isn't fair to complain. He'd make any line sound terrible.
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