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The Deadly Years

Neopeius said:
sbk1234 said:
^^^^It's some small comfort that when Mozart was my age he had been dead for over 5 years.

But are you older than Gustav and Walter and Franz?

I should have known that I wouldn't be able to get away with a Tom Lehrer plagarism. :guffaw:

Like the man said: "Plagarize. Let no one else's work evade your eyes. That's why the good lord made your eyes, so don't shade your eyes, but plagerize, plagerize, plagerize. But always remember to call it research." ;)
 
One of my favorite episodes. It really hit me hard (especially as a child) to see Kirk's failing mind. In the hearing, you can see his will is still there, but, he can't put it into effect.

I thought it was well written with a great job by Shatner.
 
sbk1234 said:
Neopeius said:
sbk1234 said:
^^^^It's some small comfort that when Mozart was my age he had been dead for over 5 years.

But are you older than Gustav and Walter and Franz?

I should have known that I wouldn't be able to get away with a Tom Lehrer plagarism. :guffaw:

I grew up on Tom Lehrer reel to reels.

I used to get tons of chicks by singing Rikity-tikity-tin to them. No fooling.
 
"Just commenting about how the younger the kids are, the older they think of ages, like 34."

I was a mutant. I never thought people in their 30s were old, even as a tiny child. I was good at math, you see, and knew that wasn't quite halfway through life yet. And people in their 30s aren't all wrinkly. My contemporaries were really, really stupid... but most of them didn't watch Star Trek...

I wish to thank Shatmandu for the background info..
 
woot Kirk and company in the depends era and geriatrics ward of Starfleet Medical. LOL! Call up the Antaries Viagra company!



"Carl" Spock excluded of course, vulcans can still gigalo themselves out... at 100 years they are only middle-age.
 
Probably a great episode. But it suffers from the plot point that poisons so much of Star Trek for me. Anybody NOT from Enterprise is dumb. Really dumb. Like Ambassador Fox dumb. Hated it here. Hated it in TSFS. Hate it hate it hate it. I want to see that Starfleet is the finest and that the Enterprise is the finest in the fleet.

But yeah, the cast was awesome.
 
Tallguy said:
Probably a great episode. But it suffers from the plot point that poisons so much of Star Trek for me. Anybody NOT from Enterprise is dumb. Really dumb. Like Ambassador Fox dumb. Hated it here. Hated it in TSFS. Hate it hate it hate it. I want to see that Starfleet is the finest and that the Enterprise is the finest in the fleet.

But yeah, the cast was awesome.

At least Commodore Stocker apologized to Captain Kirk at the end of it.
 
I never thought of Stocker as dumb. Inexperienced yes. And his decision was made with the best of intentions.
 
Like, if USAF servicemen somewhere in Indian Ocean fell ill in 1962, a non-dumb Lieutenant General might choose to fly them to Germany for treatment through Soviet airspace unannounced in an armed B-52 because it's quicker?

Stocker must have been braindead to commit this obvious act of war for such minuscule gain. Or was he betting that the Romulan Border Praetorians on this sector would be asleep, perhaps based on his command experience on such matters?

Timo Saloniemi
 
Since there weren't supposed to be any Romulan vessels in the Neutral Zone either, I like to think that he was betting he could slip through before they could catch him since they'd have to be coming from outside the Zone as well. YMMV of course.
 
Hmm, good point - he could have been planning on flying solely within the Zone, not actually through it to the Romulan side and then back out again. Would depend on the scale of things. If the zone is one lightyear thick (as fandom has it) or thinner, it's a bit difficult to see what would be achieved with the shortcut.

Timo Saloniemi
 
None the less, it was still a bone-headed maneuver carried out by someone who was probably a good administrator and familiar with the star charts of the area. I've always suspected that the intercepting Romulan vessels were violating the treaty by already being in the zone before the Enterprise crossed the line. Romulans have always seemed to have a tendency to do that kind of thing. Rather than pull out the Corbomite Maneuver again as a resolution, it might have been interesting to have Kirk claim that he was intercepting them for violating the treaty and that StarFleet had been notified. Still a bluff, but one that might have made for a more satisfying conclusion.
 
Have you ever noticed that no force opposing the Federation ever incurred a declaration of war for treaty violations? Not even a teeny bit? Kill people, build bases inside Fed space, it's alllll good.
 
Tallguy said:
Have you ever noticed that no force opposing the Federation ever incurred a declaration of war for treaty violations? Not even a teeny bit? Kill people, build bases inside Fed space, it's alllll good.
Except the time the Klingons did get a war. Of course, that one was provoked by the Federation.

Still, while admitting things got a bit goofy in the 24th century, in the 23rd century we don't have much clear-cut provocation: the Romulans attack Federation outposts in ``Balance of Terror'', and the attacking ship is destroyed for it, and evidently neither side really wants a war right then. The Federation provokes acts of war in ``The Deadly Years'', ``The Enterprise Incident'', and ``The Way to Eden'' but is forgiven the first two times and apparently not noticed the third.

The Gorn attack a Federation outpost in ``The Arena'', although it turns out that's also a matter of self-defense; likely the sensible people on both sides would want things kept calm once they know what they're fighting over.

In ``Friday's Child'' and ``A Private Little War'' Klingons are raising trouble among the native folks, but not apparently directly to the Federation. In ``The Trouble With Tribbles'' they do have a spy poison a grain shipment, but in a method that's probably fairly deniable (``Darvin? He must have gone insane!'') and under circumstances where fear of the Organians might keep things from expanding.

In ``Day of the Dove'', of course, the Enterprise destroys a Klingon cruiser without objective cause, and the Federation is just lucky the Klingons didn't respond more harshly to it.

``Journey to Babel'' sees an attack from Orion space pirates, but of course pirates are blasted hard to deal with.

In ``The Tholian Web'' the Tholians shoot first, but they also have a claim on the territory in which the Enterprise and the Defiant were.

The thing is that, unlike in the Civilization game, an attack isn't necessarily an act of war; it's only an act of war if both sides really want to have a war. There've been sadly many instances of people, sometimes allegedly responsible people, shooting at foreigners. Occasionally (as with most of the Anglo-American incidents) the leadership on both sides are horrified to learn of the incidents and try to settle them as quickly as possible. Sometimes (I'm thinking here of instances in the leadup to World War II where Japanese or German forces attacked United States ships it might (emphasize might) have been better had the United States taken the reason to go to war. It depends on the bigger circumstances.
 
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