The Deadly Assassin and the 13th Doctor
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That is not a fact. He said that there had never been a human/Timelord Metacrisis before, not hybrid.
Yeah, but combine that with the five thousand times he's said he's a Time Lord, no qualifiers -- and especially "The Runaway Bride," where he explicitly describes himself as being non-Human -- and the fact that "Journey's End" establishes that a Human/Time Lord combo can't survive, and I think you have a fairly obvious authorial intent: The Doctor is fully Time Lord and that part of the TV movie has been retconned.
There's a difference between a child born to human/Gallifreyan parents and what happened to Donna.
The child would have a combination of traits of both parents as happens to any child now. But in Donna's case, she had the in rush of the Doctor's entire knowledge (not sure she picked up any physilogical material though) and her brain just couldn't cope which is why the Doctor wiped her mind of the time she spent with him. It's akin to mating a huge V8 to a transmission made for a 4cyl engine - it 's going to work for a little while then come apart in a big way.
Now the quesiton is asked above what about the Doctor who's living on the parallel Earth with Rose?
In that case the human material has gone into a Timelord at a genetic level and as we're the inferior species in this instance it doesn't cause the stress.
Thank you for pointing out a contradiction in that episode. "A Time Lord/Human combo can't live!.... Unless it's making out with Rose."
To justify that continuity error, though: Did they firmly establish that the Consolation Doctor was biologically part Time Lord? Certainly he didn't seem to display any of the biological traits that mark a Time Lord -- he had only one heart, he ages at a Human rate, he won't regenerate.... Frankly, it sounds to me like the only Time Lordy thing about him was his mind.
That is not a fact. He said that there had never been a human/Timelord Metacrisis before, not hybrid.
Yeah, but combine that with the five thousand times he's said he's a Time Lord, no qualifiers -- and especially "The Runaway Bride," where he explicitly describes himself as being non-Human -- and the fact that "Journey's End" establishes that a Human/Time Lord combo can't survive, and I think you have a fairly obvious authorial intent: The Doctor is fully Time Lord and that part of the TV movie has been retconned.
There's a difference between a child born to human/Gallifreyan parents and what happened to Donna.
The child would have a combination of traits of both parents as happens to any child now.
Which is all well and good, but we've never seen any biologically Human traits in the Doctor in the current series. He's been described quite definitively as being a Time Lord and not as anything else.
See, I don't buy that. For one, I don't buy the idea of superior/inferior species -- the other thing I don't buy is the idea that it even makes sense to say that any part of the Consolation Doctor was Time Lord if he displays none of the traits of that species other than being brainy.
But there again, that part of "Journey's End," again, made no sense. Perhaps we can say that Donna's brain simply wasn't equipted to handle being re-wired.
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Admiral
The Doctor was exposed to 'Void stuff' and that will undoubtably allow him to regenerate for another 12 lifetimes.
That is not a fact. He said that there had never been a human/Timelord Metacrisis before, not hybrid.
Yeah, but combine that with the five thousand times he's said he's a Time Lord, no qualifiers -- and especially "The Runaway Bride," where he explicitly describes himself as being non-Human -- and the fact that "Journey's End" establishes that a Human/Time Lord combo can't survive, and I think you have a fairly obvious authorial intent: The Doctor is fully Time Lord and that part of the TV movie has been retconned.
There's a difference between a child born to human/Gallifreyan parents and what happened to Donna.
The child would have a combination of traits of both parents as happens to any child now. But in Donna's case, she had the in rush of the Doctor's entire knowledge (not sure she picked up any physilogical material though) and her brain just couldn't cope which is why the Doctor wiped her mind of the time she spent with him. It's akin to mating a huge V8 to a transmission made for a 4cyl engine - it 's going to work for a little while then come apart in a big way.
Now the quesiton is asked above what about the Doctor who's living on the parallel Earth with Rose?
In that case the human material has gone into a Timelord at a genetic level and as we're the inferior species in this instance it doesn't cause the stress.
Well there's a couple of other ways to deal with the Human/Gallifreyan hybrid issue:
1) We know from the 10 years that timelords can rewrite their DNA whenever the feel like-- for the most part. Who's to say that at some point during some unseen adventure, the Doctor had to use the Chamelon arch, and after it rebooted his DNA is scrubbed out the non Timelord DNA.
2) The 1st Doctor was actually a hybrid. His first regeneration happens, and the body-- which is replacing and rewriting his genetics during the process-- simply regenerates him into 100% timelord.
If there was ever an explanation - I would say that Eight was a hybrid.
If Peteworld's Doctor/John Smith had qualities born out of war and anger, regenerations could be born with traits and qualities of whats around them - maybe some kind of energy stealing thing. If Eight had a Northern companion, Nine could have picked up the accent. Then Nine gets a Londoner and his accent changes again. On the same theme Mel had an annoying squeaky voice and Sevens voice was a little weird...
Take it a step higher and all the time he's spent with humans he takes some human 'stuff' and that before that he would use his flow of companions to use the Eye or Harmony if need be.
Either that... or to give a bit of logic to him having the Eye, he was made part human to access it. Maybe as he was the only Timelord trusted with coruption on Gallifrey.
There was a 6th Doctor Big Finish audio that gave a sort-of explanation about the whole humans only can open the Eye thing. I think it was that Daleks had invaded Gallifrey, and they were using Time Lord eyeballs or something to open security gates. The Doctor uses the retinal pattern of his human companion Evylyn to make it so only a human could access The Matrix, The Eye, etc. When everything was later rebooted, his TARDIS wasn't part of the network, and he never fixed it.
Personally, I think it's a dumb explanation, and they might as well just simply ignore the parts if the TVM/Enemy Within as effects of The Time War, or something. It's pointless to try and tie it all together...
Personally, I think it's a dumb explanation, and they might as well just simply ignore the parts if the TVM/Enemy Within as effects of The Time War, or something. It's pointless to try and tie it all together...
I don't know if the Morbius question was ever answered, but in a old Dr. Who magazine story the producers back then before JNT said they used their faces to represent the past regenerations of Morbius so some of the faces shown were not The Doctors past regenerations.
i watched "The Three Doctors" yesterday and the Time-Lord president specifically called Two and One, the Doctor's first and second incarnations. therefore, the Morbius faces CAN'T be the Doctor.
No, no they didn't.
Yeah, everything before and since Morbius is pretty consistent that there have been ten Doctors, starting with Hartnell. I suppose you could argue that the other faces were some pre-Doctor regenerations (like the Cartmel 'Other' or whatever). Ultimately it's just an interesting little look at a road not taken by the later writers.
Going right out there...
What if regeneration is like the sperm race? There are dozens or hundreds of shake ups and redressings of the same person struggling to break free during each regeneration... And those buggers were a couple potential Doctors who "placed". Consider the watcher stalking the Doctor in logopolis, what if there had been 5 or six of them? Cage match? Round robin sudden death pool tournament? Thumb wars? How would they decide who was most worthy?
Then the Doctor might have half regenerated like he did at the end of season four, during an elective regeneration like Romana did done in Genesis of the Daleks, but changed his mind and opted to rather stay as one, two, three or four... One must have been fending off Regeneration from old age for quite some time if his (outward appearance of) health was comparable to Hartnels?
What if regeneration is like the sperm race? There are dozens or hundreds of shake ups and redressings of the same person struggling to break free during each regeneration... And those buggers were a couple potential Doctors who "placed". Consider the watcher stalking the Doctor in logopolis, what if there had been 5 or six of them? Cage match? Round robin sudden death pool tournament? Thumb wars? How would they decide who was most worthy?
Then the Doctor might have half regenerated like he did at the end of season four, during an elective regeneration like Romana did done in Genesis of the Daleks, but changed his mind and opted to rather stay as one, two, three or four... One must have been fending off Regeneration from old age for quite some time if his (outward appearance of) health was comparable to Hartnels?