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The Dark Tower

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What relation do Kings other works have to the Dark Tower saga. I know that are all mentioned in some way or another in the books, but to what degree. Are any of them suggested reading before you start the Dark Tower series, or are the connections tenuous.

I read the first Dark Tower book a few years ago, but was so lost as to what was going on that I never started the next one. Now I'm considering going back and trying again.

Thanks for any info.
 
For an in-depth answer to your question I would recommend this book.
http://www.bevvincent.com/DarkTower.html
Your local library most likely has it and it's certain to be found in just about any book store. For a less thorough answer I'd recommend a simple google search. :)
I will tell you that most people says that the first book is the most challenging. I enjoyed it, but thought that the next 3 in the series were superior to the first. It's worth reading the first two just to get to The Waste Lands which is a fantastic book and my favorite of the series.
 
Don't even go down this road man, don't do it!

They start out ok, even good and so you think maybe they will stay, at the very least, entertaining. But they don't, at all. They just get worse, and the story goes in directions that don't make sense..like, at all. And then you are so far in and have wasted so many hours that you just want to see it through to the end and you get there and you're like WTF?!? Holy shit!! That was the worst ending EVER!!

But thats just my opinion, ymmv.
 
What relation do Kings other works have to the Dark Tower saga. I know that are all mentioned in some way or another in the books, but to what degree. Are any of them suggested reading before you start the Dark Tower series, or are the connections tenuous.

I read the first Dark Tower book a few years ago, but was so lost as to what was going on that I never started the next one. Now I'm considering going back and trying again.

Thanks for any info.

To answer the question about whether you should read any of King's other work before starting The Dark Tower, my local librarian recommended to me that I read The Talisman and Black House, written by both King and Peter Straub, as a precursor to the series. I actually ended up enjoying the duology more than I did The Gunslinger, which I never finished. Even if you don't end up reading The Dark Tower series itself, I would recommend The Talisman and Black House anyway because they're really good novels in and of themselves.
 
The Dark Tower series actually led me to read most of Kings other novels. To this day, the Dark Tower series are my absolute favorite books. Wizard and Glass may possibly be my favorite book by King; I thought it was amazing. Personally, I say at least start book 2, I'll admit the middle portion (IMO) dragged just a little but thats the book that really gets the ball rolling and brings in the majority of important characters.
 
Almost every King book has some kind of DT connection, either big or small.

But there are three books which even King himself claims are the main "second level' books. Those are Insomnia, Black House, and Hearts in Atlantis. Those three tie in the most closely to the mainstream DT storyline.

However, the problem is this. You may think that all those connections from every other book are pieces of a puzzle that you have to put together, kind of in a Babylon 5 or Lost style. You may pay attention to all the little nitty gritty and try to figure out the larger picture. But you will be unsuccessful, because in the last book of the DT series proper, The Dark Tower, King basically invalidates all those connections himself by relegating them to the status of "alternate realities," meaning that none of them has any bearing on what actually happens. Which I assume is part of what HighTeeHeller was so frustrated about.

My opinion on the individual books:

1 - The Gunslinger: A Western with a slight sci-fi twist - an odd book, mixing genres in an almost FireFly-like way, but seems rather inconsequential. Compare to season 1 of Bab5 - it may not be much fun, but it's necessary for what comes later.

2 - The Drawing of the Three: As Gen Zod said, this feels like where it really begins, although there is important back story in book 1. A fairly action- and drama-heavy entry.

3 - The Waste Lands: It kind of feels like a re-write of The Talisman, as basically the whole of the DT series is. It's an "on the way to" story rather than an event story.

4 - Wizard and Glass: A "flashback episode" that has almost no effect on the real-time storyline, although it does lay some seeds for the final explanations and conclusions.

5 - Wolves of the Calla: The best book in the series, for me. A heavily Western-influenced investigation and battle story, where the series really begins to feel like it's getting somewhere. You can tell that King felt re-inspired at this point.

6 - Song of Susannah: Experimental and reflective. The entire book takes place in just one day. Compare maybe to Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, in that it's an opportunity to catch your breath and explain some things before the big finale.

7 - The Dark Tower: For the first half, one of the best books I ever read. For the second half, it completely lost it. Stuff comes out of nowhere that is a complete cheat, the aforementioned disappointments as to the relevance of all that ancillary material, and lots of things seeming to fizzle out to nothing instead of the massive event we had been led to expect.

As to the absolute ending, I can kinda see HighTeeHeller's point - it is frustrating, no doubt. But it also does make a perverse sense, and as King himself says, this is the right ending. I'm not sure he entirely made it work, but I get what he was going for.

I hope some of this helps.
 
Dark Tower Connections:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Dark_Tower:connections

There was a better chart at darktower.net but it's been taken down.

As for the series itself, I loved the series as a whole. I will agree that there were passages in the final books that didn't do the rest of the series justice and there were a couple of storylines that were not resolved very satisfyingly, but no series that long is.

I do think he rushed the last 3 books and it shows in places, but overall, I thought it was the best epic series I've read right up there with LOTR.

I would definitely read Salem's Lot before book 5 of the Dark Tower.

Other books you would do well to read before the series:
The Stand (for Flagg)
Insomnia
Hearts in Atlantis.
 
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Don't even go down this road man, don't do it!

They start out ok, even good and so you think maybe they will stay, at the very least, entertaining. But they don't, at all. They just get worse, and the story goes in directions that don't make sense..like, at all. And then you are so far in and have wasted so many hours that you just want to see it through to the end and you get there and you're like WTF?!? Holy shit!! That was the worst ending EVER!!

But thats just my opinion, ymmv.

I'm afraid I have to concur with this opinion. The first book was good, and the second book was great (in fact, it was the second book alone that gave me false hopes that such heights might be achieved again later in the series). I should have just stopped there. The rest was basically long-winded drudgery with an ending that I did my best to accept, but ultimately couldn't. I felt very cheated by the end, which made the rest of the series all the more pointless.
 
The ending of the series is either great or horrendously awful depending on whether you expect an emotionally satisfying conclusion or an intellectually satisfying one. King gave us an intellectually satisfying one in that it fit with many of the series's major themes--especially the way, to use the crude vernacular, everything turns to shit. As an emotional ending, the series concludes as a gigantic fuck you to both the reader, and, in a bizarre feat, Roland himself. I actually always liked the ending, especially as much of the final book seemed given to contemplation.
 
I found the ending satisfying both "emotionally" and "intellectually" (to the extent that responses are actually separable like that). I know many people found it horribly unsatisfying, but really it was the only conclusion that had a chance of pleasing anyone, and it's undeniably the way the series had been tending from the beginning, at least on a thematic level. I also adore how the landscape and tone become stark and slightly surreal as Roland approaches the Tower.
 
My immediate reaction to the ending was negative. I thought, "That's what I read seven books for!?" However, when I took a little more time to think about it, I realized that it was very appropriate, for the story and especially for Roland himself. I'm not sure Roland would accept it any other way; I think he got the ending he himself believed he deserved.
 
My immediate reaction to the ending was negative. I thought, "That's what I read seven books for!?" However, when I took a little more time to think about it, I realized that it was very appropriate, for the story and especially for Roland himself. I'm not sure Roland would accept it any other way; I think he got the ending he himself believed he deserved.

My thoughts as well. DT was never a fairy tale, at least not as they're told in modern times. Roland has so much to answer for, and his path determined his fate. The ending is neither hopeful nor despairing, and in the back of my brain, I always suspected that one like it would be the way King would go.

I think I might start a full spoilers thread for spec on the nature of the ending and after, later today.
 
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