The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station
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It's more ridiculous when people complain about the vehicle bobbling up and down
The car rig was bouncing up and down on the road. It was unavoidable.
I'm sure Nolan took into consideration that things wouldn't go as smooth when he filmed on the streets
As opposed to sticking the batwing prop in a studio and green screening the city
Some of the comic book Batmobiles have been awful. I kind of like the current Batmobile design which is Tumbler-esque.
Here's what I think is the story of The Dark Knight Rises:
After the events of the second movie Dark Knight, Bruce quit being Batman now he has made his alter ego into a bad guy to save the reputation of Harvey Dent, and he can't fight crime and fight the police at the same time. He also blamed himself for Rachel's death and not being able to stop Harvey's descent into madness. Bruce has put everything that has to do with Batman in secret storage within the restored Wayne Manor (but I can see Bruce stopping by to a peak of the stuff from time to time out of nostalgia of the good, old days). For eight years, Bruce has been put more of his focus on running Wayne Enterprises while Harvey Dent turns into a martyr saint that inspires the city to follow his heroic example in the fight aganist crime and corruption. But Bruce continues to wallow in depression and self-loathing, maybe feeling incomplete without being Batman half of the time. He increasingly isolates himself from other people. Alfred sees this and feels powerless in stopping the pain his surrogate son is in. Then Bane comes in. I don't think he comes to Gotham intially because of Batman. I think his reason has to do with something related to Gotham and something that's in Gotham. Catwoman is hired by Bane to serve a function in his plan. Seeing the chaos Bane unleashes forces Bruce to go back to being Batman to save the people of Gotham.
After the events of the second movie Dark Knight, Bruce quit being Batman now he has made his alter ego into a bad guy to save the reputation of Harvey Dent, and he can't fight crime and fight the police at the same time. He also blamed himself for Rachel's death and not being able to stop Harvey's descent into madness. Bruce has put everything that has to do with Batman in secret storage within the restored Wayne Manor (but I can see Bruce stopping by to a peak of the stuff from time to time out of nostalgia of the good, old days). For eight years, Bruce has been put more of his focus on running Wayne Enterprises while Harvey Dent turns into a martyr saint that inspires the city to follow his heroic example in the fight aganist crime and corruption. But Bruce continues to wallow in depression and self-loathing, maybe feeling incomplete without being Batman half of the time. He increasingly isolates himself from other people. Alfred sees this and feels powerless in stopping the pain his surrogate son is in. Then Bane comes in. I don't think he comes to Gotham intially because of Batman. I think his reason has to do with something related to Gotham and something that's in Gotham. Catwoman is hired by Bane to serve a function in his plan. Seeing the chaos Bane unleashes forces Bruce to go back to being Batman to save the people of Gotham.
Some of that is probably right on the button...except Wayne Enterprises...some have suggested that Bruce's assets have been seized or something as set photos indicated a few months ago. There's also Miranda Tate's character to consider who is supposed to be a Wayne Enterprises board member and helps Bruce restore the company or somesuch.
I've tried putting together a comprehensive theoretical treatment together but every time I do...I keep having more questions and scrap it. There is so much stuff and so many questions going into the film and things we just don't know anything about. I have stated from the start that I do believe that he will still heavily feel Rachel's death. He hasn't let go yet...and will be hesitant to enter into any kind of romantic entanglements. This is why I'm so curious as to how he will interact with Selina and or Miranda.
I've tried putting together a comprehensive theoretical treatment together but every time I do...I keep having more questions and scrap it. There is so much stuff and so many questions going into the film and things we just don't know anything about. I have stated from the start that I do believe that he will still heavily feel Rachel's death. He hasn't let go yet...and will be hesitant to enter into any kind of romantic entanglements. This is why I'm so curious as to how he will interact with Selina and or Miranda.
Rutger Hauer anyone?
If a character has a solid reason to destroy Wayne Enterprises, it's him.
If a character has a solid reason to destroy Wayne Enterprises, it's him.
^ Are you suggesting that Richard Earle will somehow come back into play?
i think Bane draws him out, cripples him, and sends him to prison for those eight years. Bane won't kill him until he can see the havok he wrought, caused in part by the rich - like Bruce.. which explains bane's line in the trailer.
^ Yeah I've kind of thought that myself after seeing the prison scene. I think the hospital scene between Bruce and Gordon is after Bruce has escaped. Gordon begs him to return and he's not sure if he should.
then there is a shot of Bruce with a cane looking at a silver platter. That's his return home, where he realized that all the riches in the world, the high society, has been part of the problem, and Bane and Selina have a point.
I'm having a very hard time seeing why people still insist on classifying Selina/Catwoman as a villain, given what we either know or can deduce about her character based on set photos, official photos, this trailer, and reports from fairly reputable sites such as the Hollywood Reporter and IGN from months prior to the WB confirming the character's presence in the film.
People are assuming Selina is a villain because that's how she has been depicted before...but yeah I don't think her role in the movie has been exactly confirmed. I will say that I expected it to be antagonistic to some degree, but who knows maybe she'll end up being an ally to Bruce.
I'm not saying Selina is a villain, per say. I'm thinking Bane forces her to go along with his plan. I doubt there isn't a connection between her and Bane.
Flying Spaghetti Monster: you may be right about Bane crippling Batman and putting him in prison for eight years. But I'm wondering if Bane does this to Batman shortly after the events of The Dark Knight after keeping an eye on Batman for a while now, thinking he would pose a threat to his plans and feeling it would be best to have him dealt with so he would be out of the way. And come to think of it the clip in the trailer when Alfred says he hasn't protected Bruce makes sense within the context you established.
Flying Spaghetti Monster: you may be right about Bane crippling Batman and putting him in prison for eight years. But I'm wondering if Bane does this to Batman shortly after the events of The Dark Knight after keeping an eye on Batman for a while now, thinking he would pose a threat to his plans and feeling it would be best to have him dealt with so he would be out of the way. And come to think of it the clip in the trailer when Alfred says he hasn't protected Bruce makes sense within the context you established.
IGN was pretty specific and adamant that her role in the film was that of a Batman-esque vigilante, and I have a hard time believing that they were wrong or mistaken about that.
Therefore, it is far more likely to me that Selina ends up being set up as someone who is presented as being antagonistic towards Bruce Wayne (as indicated by the scenes of her in the trailer whispering Occupy movement sentiments in his ear) and possibly Batman, but is ultimately a 'good guy', even if we as an audience are initially led to believe otherwise.
Why?
Two members of Batman's rogue gallery in the same movie. It's like saying there wasn't a connection between Ra's al Ghul and Scarecrow in the first movie or a connection between the Joker and Two Face in the second. That connection doesn't have to be that of two villains willingly working together. I don't think Selina of this movie is a full-on villain, willingly serving Bane's agenda. I see her more like Irene Adler when she was forced to work for Moriarty in the Sherlock Holmes movie. Or maybe she has an ulterior motive for working with Bane that serves a personal agenda of her own. Like Irene with Sherlock, Selina will have her banter with Bruce who she'll have an attraction to and may end up helping Bruce later in the movie.
I think there will be a connection revealed between Miranda Tate and Bane. Especially if the rumours over who she really might be are true.
She's actually Poison Ivy. That's right, folks, they're remaking Batman & Robin!
Joseph Gordon-Levitt is actually playing Mr. Freeze.
Just because a film happens to feature two members of Batman's traditional rogues gallery does not automatically mean that both characters are automatically villains, or that there automatically has to be some type of connection between them.
With regards to Batman Begins, I believe that we knew going into the film that it was intended to have two villains - Rha's and Scarecrow, but there was no real story imperative requiring them to be working together, the fact that they were in fact working together notwithstanding.
With TDK, the Joker was announced as that film's only villain, although we as an audience were led to suspect that Nolan was in fact going to use the Two-Face angle, especially after they put Harvey's 'You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain' line in the trailers for the film.
Contrast that with TDKR; there's been zero indication, as far as I know, that the film has two villains (ala Begins), or that Selina is in fact going to be used as a villain, so it's ludicrous to automatically assume that Selina Kyle is A) a villain and B) has some connection - willing or otherwise - to Bane just because she and Bane happen to be in the same film.
That it's actually something that categorically is an automobile.
When it's the Tumbler it's a stylized military grade tank-esque vehicle. Yes, it's more of an homage to what's in Miller's TDK or even The Cult but those were overly stylized takes whereas Nolan's world prides itself on being realistic. IMO the choice of Batmobile err BatTank is the most out of place element.
That's really all we need to go into it. I accept it's there but for my $.02 it's not a Batmobile cause it's not even remotely a car or car on steroids as most Batmobile's typically are.
^ Tanks aren't mobile? What is it then, a Batstatic?
