The Dark Knight question

[MeanJoePhaser]

The Joker relies on himself getting free and a cop not taking the shot when he has the detective hostage.

The Joker is somehow telepathic. That's why he knows the crime bosses won't shoot him the moment he interrupts their meeting. And why Dent won't kill him. Of course, you can say the Joker doesn't care if he lives or dies. Bullshit. He plans too much to not care.

That or he's damned movie character.

 

[Sci]

The Joker is very clearly not a psychologically realistic character in any sense of the term. He's an embodiment of negative chaos -- he's anarchy-as-destruction. He's an archetype.

 

[clint g]

come on, even i know DA is District Attorney and it's a top lawyer postion and i'm a bloody Brit.

Same here and I'm a bloody Finn.

Yeah, if you've watched ANY American cop show/movie you're going to have at least a passing understanding of what a DA is.

Considering how police dramas are the number one shows in the US, I think its safe to say that most Americans get it

 

[RoJoHen]

I knew what a DA was, but I never really got why being a DA made Dent as awesome as everybody made him out to be.

 

[Sci]

I knew what a DA was, but I never really got why being a DA made Dent as awesome as everybody made him out to be.

The idea is that Dent represents the idealized political leader, the leader within the system whom the public trusts and believes in. To them, he's the reformer who can clean up the system from the top.

Remember, cops are to municipal governance as the army is to the federal government; they're the guys who enforce the law, not the guys who actually lead.

To put it another way:

Gotham City is America in 2008, and Harvey Dent is Barack Obama.

 

[Hermiod]

The only issue is that for a guy who believes in chaos and questions the sense in making plans, the Joker sure makes some elaborate ones.

Didn't you read the thread?

^ The Joker lied.

Yes, I read the thread. All I can see is one post making the same observation I did without any real answer.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Batman was shocked to find Harvey instead of Rachel because he was expecting to find Rachel...his own judgment was compromised because of his desire to save Rachel that is why he sent Gordon to save Harvey. Sci stated it best regarding the Joker's motivations. He wanted to send a message that would impact the entire city. Bruce even saw Harvey as his option out and a way back to Rachel. Up until Harvey Dent the DA's office had been corrupt, ineffective, and essentially in Falcone's back pocket. Harvey changed all that.

 

[Level 2 Diagnostic]

Yeah, if you've watched ANY American cop show/movie you're going to have at least a passing understanding of what a DA is.

Considering how police dramas are the number one shows in the US, I think its safe to say that most Americans get it

Yeah, but can you name the District Attorney that presides over your current jurisdiction? I would guess most people can't.

 

[Marten]

I think most foreignerws understand that the D.A is some sort of a prosecturor, but not that he is in charge of everything.

 

[JarodRussell]

The only issue is that for a guy who believes in chaos and questions the sense in making plans, the Joker sure makes some elaborate ones.

Yeah, the Joker did make pretty complex plans. But then again all his talk about being chaos and a wild dog and not a schemer was just bullshit. He told everyone he met a different story.

A guy who prepares hand grenades before he busts a mafia meeting, who rigs hospitals, warehouses and ships with explosives and creates elaborate scenarios to out maneuver his opponents, is clearly not chaotic.

 

[Marten]

He likes things that looks like chaos, but in fact is controllable. Then he can keep up his image, and still do his evil stuff.

 

[Sci]

Yeah, if you've watched ANY American cop show/movie you're going to have at least a passing understanding of what a DA is.

Considering how police dramas are the number one shows in the US, I think its safe to say that most Americans get it

Yeah, but can you name the District Attorney that presides over your current jurisdiction? I would guess most people can't.

No, but, there again, The Dark Knight made it very clear that Dent was intentionally advertising himself, and being advertised by the Gotham media, as a crusading reformer who was going to clean up a corrupt city.

The only issue is that for a guy who believes in chaos and questions the sense in making plans, the Joker sure makes some elaborate ones.

Yeah, the Joker did make pretty complex plans. But then again all his talk about being chaos and a wild dog and not a schemer was just bullshit. He told everyone he met a different story.

A guy who prepares hand grenades before he busts a mafia meeting, who rigs hospitals, warehouses and ships with explosives and creates elaborate scenarios to out maneuver his opponents, is clearly not chaotic.

Depends on how you define "chaos."

It would be more accurate to call him an anarchist, though; his goal is to undermine society's faith in the social contract and create a feeling of chaos, of society spinning out of control. His goal is to dissolve the trust that binds society together, to get people to feel like everything that's happening is "not part of the plan."

He'll use elaborate plans to create that feeling of social anarchy, because his goal is to dissolve the glue that holds society together.

 

[clint g]

Yeah, if you've watched ANY American cop show/movie you're going to have at least a passing understanding of what a DA is.

Considering how police dramas are the number one shows in the US, I think its safe to say that most Americans get it

Yeah, but can you name the District Attorney that presides over your current jurisdiction? I would guess most people can't.

Yup, I can. I would also argue that anyone who follows politics would know who the DA is. Those who don't follow politics will at least have a passing understanding as to what the DA does.