Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread

[137th Gebirg]

Saw Guerrera was a little too much of an on-the-nose analogue to Che Guevara. I mean, look at the damn names, FFS! That was no coincidence or accident.

Marxist revolutionary murderers don't do much for me, even in works of fiction.

If some folks find that sentiment controversial, then I guess I'm in the right thread for it. Also, don't give a fuck.

 

[Tuskin38]

Saw Guerrera was a little too much of an on-the-nose analogue to Che Guevara. I mean, look at the damn names, FFS! That was no coincidence or accident.

Yes, that's how George names some of his characters.
Nute Gunray's name is apparently a reference to Newt Gingrich and Ronald Regan

Now I don't know if George named this character, but the Senator for Kamino in Clone Wars/Bad Batch is named Halle Burtoni, in reference to the Halliburton oil company.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I'm just going to throw down right here. For the purpose of continuing cultural education, the reference is a good thing, a great thing even.

 

[Set Harth]

Yes, that's how George names some of his characters.
Nute Gunray's name is apparently a reference to Newt Gingrich and Ronald Regan

Now I don't know if George named this character, but the Senator for Kamino in Clone Wars/Bad Batch is named Halle Burtoni, in reference to the Halliburton oil company.

And Lott Dod appears to be a reference to Trent Lott.

 

[cooleddie74]

And possibly also Connecticut Senator Christopher Dodd, so George might have named the character to be a slam against both parties he saw as corrupt and/or ineffective.

 

[FredH]

Probably not a controversial opinion at this point, at least not anymore: Most of American society completely missed the point, and very clear warning, of the Prequel Trilogy.

 

[fireproof78]

Probably not a controversial opinion at this point, at least not anymore: Most of American society completely missed the point, and very clear warning, of the Prequel Trilogy.

Poor writing and story will do that.

 

[FredH]

Poor writing and story will do that.

Not when the writing — whatever you think of it — shoves it in the audience’s face. The “thunderous applause” scene alone could not be more stompingly obvious, and I don’t think even an honest reaction of “I don’t like this script” is somehow what makes one not get it, if one doesn’t.

 

[fireproof78]

Not when the writing — whatever you think of it — shoves it in the audience’s face. The “thunderous applause” scene alone could not be more stompingly obvious, and I don’t think even an honest reaction of “I don’t like this script” is somehow what makes one not get it, if one doesn’t.

To quote the great, and often prescient, Robert Heinlein, "You can lead a child to knowledge but you can't make them think." History is repleat with examples of people failing to learn, and we can't even be civil to each other over an entertainment franchise differences in opinions; politics is often way worse.

 

[FredH]

To quote the great, and often prescient, Robert Heinlein, "You can lead a child to knowledge but you can't make them think." History is repleat with examples of people failing to learn, and we can't even be civil to each other over an entertainment franchise differences in opinions; politics is often way worse.

That much is certainly true.

 

[Ithekro]

Remember, it took "Andor" to get some of the Imperial fanboys to see the horrors of the Empire that didn't need a Sith Lord to be Absolutely Evil.

 

[FredH]

Remember, it took "Andor" to get some of the Imperial fanboys to see the horrors of the Empire that didn't need a Sith Lord to be Absolutely Evil.

I imagine plenty of them still don’t.

There are (at least) two kinds of fictional evil: “They’re evil because they have t-shirts that say EVIL on them” and “They’re evil because of what they do”.

For the most part, and leaving aside the big obvious exception of the Death Star, the OT Empire was t-shirt evil, as are the Sith throughout the series. (Or think of when you’re twelve, and you have your D&D characters kill a bunch of not-attacking monsters because it’s okay, the Monster Manual says their alignment is Chaotic Evil.) The Andor Empire is “what they do” evil.

A lot of people seem only able to register the metaphorical t-shirts as an indicator. And not even then, if they think the t-shirts look cool.

 

[Set Harth]

“They’re evil because they have t-shirts that say EVIL on them”

Or "OBEY".

No, I don't think I will...

For the most part, and leaving aside the big obvious exception of the Death Star, the OT Empire was t-shirt evil, as are the Sith throughout the series.

They did a lot of evil stuff not restricted to the Death Star.